Tuesday, August 15, 2006

Frenetic Tinnitus for a New Century

It has become a cliche in popular culture (if not necessarily amongst historians) that history is written by the victors. And although this assertion might be useful as an easy way to explain general bias and deficiencies in historical analysis, it is not entirely accurate on its face. Sure, the victors in war, empire building, and struggles for economic superiority always develop their own self serving versions of history, but the important point is not simply what they have written, or the fact that they have chosen to write at all. Instead, what really matters is that such persons and entities are able to communicate their version of events to the largest number of people, since it is the process of organization and communication that turns one subjective perspective into "objective" fact. It isn't as if the dominant actors in history are the only ones that have ever picked up pens, its just that they have largely been able to render their perspectives the only ones that really matter to most people. But if this line of reasoning can be applied (even loosely) to the recording and documenting of local music and the community surrounding it, it can be said that a group of experimental musicians in Denton, and many others like them, have decided to ignore it.

It probably seems kind of silly to talk about historical analysis and Denton noise rock in the same piece, because lets face it- experimental noise/improv groups from Denton aren't going to change the world, and there is a very strong possibility that they aren't even going to change the local music community. No matter how many new and exciting ideas these bands and their associates might develop in the arenas of music, visual art, performance or distribution, the "big" events in local music will probably always involve something along the lines of a fire marshall shutting down a really boring show by a really boring band somewhere in Dallas, while most of the local musicians that have any true potential to innovate and create something new will continue to be marginalized and largely ignored before they finally decide to move or give up all together. Many will argue that this state of affairs is warranted- after all, who the hell actually sits down and listens to noise rock, right? But rather than responding to such simplistic notions, the members of You are the Universe, iDi* Amin, Notes from Underground and some of their friends and collaborators have elected to start an entirely new discussion by playing their own shows at their own space, and using their own methods to document their ventures on their own terms.

This collective effort centers around a house, two blogs and a record label, all of which focus on a group of bands that probably won't ever win any popularity contests amongst the Greenville barhopping general public. The house, located at 628 Lakey St. in Denton, has been dubbed the House of Tinnitus, and it is there that Jason Moore, Andrew Michael Hilburn, and house residents Rob Buttrum and Amelia Jaycen have begun holding free, open admission shows twice a month, featuring a diverse range of acts that might not pull large crowds often enough to be invited back to clubs on a regular basis, but put on shows that should attract anyone with an interest in rock and avant garde music that goes beyond a passing fancy. Their first show last month featured Warmer Milks, and their upcoming show this Friday, August 18th will feature Cry Blood Apache, Night Game Cult, Sparrow/Hawk with Andrew Michael, and Tinnitus, an improv/noise project featuring Buttrum and Jaycen. So far, the group plans to keep the shows free (although they will seek donations), and are planning performances by their own bands, other interesting local bands, and up and coming touring bands. The purpose behind the house, as URTU member Jason Moore explains, is to create a "sort of home base for the growing Denton 'noise' scene," a phrase he uses for lack of a better term. The house is quite large, and its residents are said to be very welcoming to anyone that is interested in attending the shows, giving it the potential to be a true center of activity as Denton comes back to life in the coming weeks with the start of a new semester.

The house will serve as a forum for many of the collective's future endeavors, and the record label/ blog Frenetic Love, as well as the New Century Art blog, will be used to document these and other events that will be important to the growing number of experimental musicians and adventurous music fans in Denton. "The (frenetic love) blog is really just a venue for writing about music as a sensory experience" Moore says, juxtaposing it to most other music blogs, which he claims "are written as a way to simplify music." Frenetic Love and New Century Art already contain reviews, interviews, and short think pieces about noise, local experimental music, and how such music interacts with popular culture and media. Their writing is intelligent and thoughtful, and they appear to be interested in the physical experiences of listening to music, in addition to the theoretical elements of improv/noise that often make such music as fascinating to talk about as it is to listen to. The groups plan to continue using both blogs as a channel for "documenting what (their bands) are creating as a unit," and as a primary source for information on the community that they are developing.

The Frenetic Love record label will serve a similar purpose, albeit through a different medium, documenting live performances and proper, studio recorded releases by some of the better Denton bands. The label will be modeled loosely after some of the indie tape trading labels of the past, recording and distributing live performances and experiments by Denton bands in order to document the creative process as it is occurring. One such recording, an improv document featuring Sparrow/Hawk and Andrew Michael, will be distributed for free at the upcoming show on Friday, and Hilburn plans on creating numerous other live recordings and archiving them as a loose document of what is happening in Denton experimental music as of right now. The label also plans to release proper full length tapes by Chief Death Rage, You are the Universe, and others, with the intent to mass distribute them commercially.

Although those involved with the projects would certainly like to experience some commercial success, Moore does not see it as a realistic possibility, and seems to be equally, if not more interested in simply documenting what the Denton experimental community is doing, and helping to strengthen a small music community that probably can't rely on much attention from the established mainstream local media.

The aspect of the Frenetic Love/House of Tinnitus/ New Century Art project that is perhaps most exciting is not the novelty of the idea, but rather the relative simplicity in executing it. Sure, zines and D.I.Y. record labels, venues and house shows have been around as long as rock n roll has, but today, all of this can be done much quicker and with relatively fewer hassles than ever before. The multimedia approach that musicians can use to document their work and their lives, mixing visual art, writing, music, and happenings, is obviously far more complex and comprehensive than anything that technology has permitted musicians to do before, opening up a wide range of expressive possibilities to people that would have never had access to such media even seven years ago.

Due to a myriad of factors that are far more complex than "Sam sucks" or "corporations," Denton noise rock will probably never be covered in much detail by the Dallas Morning News, the Observer, or any other mainstream local publication. There just isn't the market for it. But today, this fact is becoming less and less relevant to the level of impact that this kind of music can have, since blogs are just as easy to read (if not easier) than newspapers, and burning a bunch of CDs of a live performance that just took place (which I have seen URTU do in the past) is easier and cheaper than shopping for a record label. Put simply, anyone can create media that will shape, market, and document their own perceptions and experiences, which could in turn help shape our collective memories of such events in the future. Did you see George W. Bush dancing with Ricky Martin at his 2000 election victory party? Yeah, thats why shit like this is important. Theres no telling what might come of it, but the fact that this group of bands is able to shape the present and possibly the future through multimedia has to be a good thing, because those who will likely be considered "victors" by future historians seem to have really shitty taste in music.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

you mean we get to go watch people make music that nobody wants to hear? somebody get me a tissue 'cause i'm about to blow my load.

8:39 AM  
Blogger The Fold said...

Seriously, look that address up on Google earth & compare it to rubber gloves (a few blocks north&west).

That place is fucking HUGE.

I've never been down that street though.

10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


God damn, these idiots act like they are the first group of geniuses to find a No New York record and not write a song. Fucking hipster fucks.

Go do your fucking homework.

10:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And by the way, I am now convinced that WSJR is very involved with this gang. It's a popular rumor, and now I'm starting to believe it.
"Noise" QUICK! LABEL EVERYTHING SO I CAN KNOW IF YOURE COOL. Nothing new. Bunch of cocky kids. Old folks sucking the blood of the young, and the young not respecting history, all circle jerking at their new NOISE VENUE. A jam band is a jam band. At least the hippies are laid back and not comparing ballsacks.

10:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fuck popular rumors. current leaves also get their asses kissed. are they part of the noise scene? obviously even no new york is too coherent for these kids. that record is full of "songs". have you actually heard some of these bands? do your fucking homework.

10:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, dude. we're psychedelic noise country rock.

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no, YOU do YOUR fucking homework


10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck You, I spent my money at Strategies of Beauty, and I left unconvinced. I have heard Fra Pandolf. Blatant Sonic Youth rippers with a lot to learn about not sucking. Shiny Around The Edges. Arty to the point of self mockery. nOTES fROM tHE uNDERGROUND ARE ACTUALLY PRETTY COOL. bUT A LOT OF THIS SCENE IS MASTERBATORY AND CIRCLE JERKY, WITH A BUNCH OF FUCKING KIDS SITTING AROUND TELLING EACH OTHER HOW "AMAZING" THEY ARE.

10:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


10:48 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

I love how this idiot, or the two idiots, is (are) acting like I have given this entire set of bands a free pass and just completely think You Are the Universe is the next Sonic Youth or something. Do you know how to read? If so, did you actually read this post?

Its about what a group of bands is doing to record, perform and distribute their work, and why the ease with which they can do so is interesting. Now maybe you think that is lame, and I can live with that. But you aren't even really commenting on the story itself. Try again.

10:52 AM  
Blogger streisand said...

notes from the underground should be witnessed. Perfect amount train wreck mixed with perfect amount of chops.

11:42 AM  
Blogger jamo said...

dudes, would any of you like to go out and get some pizza? we could talk about this diplomatically, maybe even get into some of the root causes for your pain. did your mother not spend enough time with you due to the fact that she was sleeping with merzbou? did someone weilding a delay pedal and a detuned guitar attack you and defile you? were you strapped to a chair and forced to watch STOMP on repeat for days on end when you were a child? none of these are your fault, you have to stop playing the victim, you are a survivor. oh, and DON'T HATE THE PLAYERS, HATE THE GAME.


12:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know for a fact that the people bashing current leaves are in the noise scene. They are on record with their disdain for aaron white.
because all thosae noise guys want to be rock stars and can'3t stand for their blog to lean towards something else. why do you think mikael seman jams with aaron? because every time somebody says something is cool, michal has to suck up to it. for a while. til the nexy big thing simmers up.

12:13 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

aaron white and I kicked it at strategies, and made fun of eachother in a totally man-boy kind of way! I don't hate that dude!

12:22 PM  
Blogger Current Leaves said...

I think pizza's a great idea. I'll even spring for low-carb for those watching their weight, all on the computer all day and shit. If anyone wants to take me up in person and discuss my shortcomings, suckings, or other areas I have failed to win your approval, hit me up!

12:22 PM  
Blogger Current Leaves said...

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12:22 PM  
Blogger Current Leaves said...

But please carry on about the original post which concerns House of Tinnitus and other more interesting topics.

12:24 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

I think that little tiff between adub and ed james is just a tiff! nothing else, those dudes love eachother, music is fun!

12:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

streisand, when you say "chops" do you mean pork chops?

12:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

along a similar vein to this post, someone should write an article on how Daughter Entertainment and Spune Productions are such GIGANTIC FUCKERS.

12:38 PM  
Anonymous mc said...

Good job URTU AMH & Tinnitus

Nobody is claiming to reinvent the wheel or claiming that there aren't other people in other places doing stuff like this that's probably better ... but what's wrong with a little bit of DIY inspiration, a little bit of bravery (taking chances in a live setting), and having a little fun with traditionally non-musical sounds in a musical setting ....

- MC
iDi*amin, Zanzibar Snails

12:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Observer sucks. Spune Sucks. Noise Sucks. Pearl Snaps Sucks. Daughter Sucks. Cool. We're all on the same page.

12:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Observer sucks. Spune Sucks. Noise Sucks. Pearl Snaps Sucks. Daughter Sucks. Cool. We're all on the same page.

12:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the same page, twice.

1:15 PM  
Anonymous Doctor Jones said...

What's wrong with Spune, seriously?

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crap. You went there.

1:37 PM  
Anonymous M- said...

Dear Anonymous 10:13

Okay, I have five minutes to address this absurdity...

Ha! No, I don't “suck-up” to things, it just happens that what I really like musically usually ends up being “The Next Big Thing.”

In fact, Adub came to me and was like, "Dude, here's the deal, Current Leaves needs some juice, can I sit in with y'all for a show or two? Here’s a $20." Heck, Notes from Underground still owes me $50 for thinking they are one of the best bands in the d/DFW area. So, you see anonymous, the situation is actually more complex than you give it credit.

Other than that, MC is right... good to see DIY things happening. Whether it is the Metrognome Pop Fest or a house for noise shows - it is all good. So many smallish indie bands are on package tours together now, that it is important for more house shows to happen so local bands have a place to play and develop. Thankfully, the d/DFW area has people and places like RGRS, Metrognome, Lance from Spune, J n’ J’s Pizza, Callithump, Wanz, etc... who still give relatively unknown bands opportunities to hone their craft (some more than others sure, but still...). However, there is nothing like a house show wherein anything goes and the bottom line is nothing more than whether or not your song, set, or sound worked and people had a good time.

If you don’t like the noise genre, well don’t go to the shows and don’t read press about it. Take the time you would spend complaining and do something for the genre you DO like. The only reason that the noise genre is being written about now is that people like Jason are passionate about what they are doing and found other like-minded people to collaborate with on differing projects over the past year or two. You can do the same thing. We all can... and should.

Now, with all of that said I leave you with the fact that I really like both Bob White and the F-Electrics (even though I've been highly adept at missing their last few shows) and a band that apparently has found a drummer again, The Opposites Attract... among many, many other Texan bands of varying genres I've been listening to as of late.


1:40 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

good comment.

1:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was walking down the streets of Denton the other day and it just so happened that I bumped shoulders with art. Yes art, not Arto Lindsay, but art itself; as a deity and a life force.

He looked me in the eye and I swear I saw a tear. "Art" I said, "Why do you moisten the happiness of our fair town?" Without answer and only perturbed distance I asked him to lunch

He hesitantly allowed me to open the door of J&J’s pizza parlor for him and we immediately sat down.

Slapping a slice down in front of his nimble arms he raised his head up and sighed. "Okay man, look you don't seem yourself. What's up?"

I took into consideration it would be a delicate acquisition and then asked “let’s go downstairs. Perhaps it’s a bit more private…”

As we walked down the staircase, Art continued to hurl his body at the pool table and sob uncontrollably for what seemed minutes.

With a tight, reddened face he threw the 8 ball through the back hallway and it resonated a violent echo.


He continued to stumble past the brick barriers to the center ground and sway back and forth drunken like until he fell heavily upon his knees. And pulling his hair like a madman he screamed

“This God forsaken place!”

And with the mourning of a thousand innocent soldiers being sentenced to death

“-Is where I was utterly and brutally raped to no end in succession by ruthless, callous “artists”

Art is a prostitute in Denton.

1:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

m - Fuck You. Go suck the blood of an 18 year old scenester.
The last guy... You are not as sharp as you think.

2:03 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

HAH! HOLY SHIT! best post ever.

2:03 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

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2:17 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

I speak of 11:58, not 12:03, 12;03 needs some pizza, 11:58 needs to develop that story into a novel! ART PROSTITUTE! I GET IT SO FUNNY!

2:18 PM  
Anonymous NASRALLAH ABDUL said...

Arts is not in the hands of the rich man anymore. If you don't want to see attempts and failure and success and happiness and sadness and joy and pain and ups and downs and LIFE, don't go to J&Js or any DIY venues. In fact, just go see Toby Keith and watch the media's bullshit stories about "Wars on Terror" and arresting Arab men who resell cell phones. Life is art, Zionist pig.

2:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

people do stupid bullshit in the name of art

which is just as good as toby keith arresting an arab

experimental is vague. cool, so art is vague. ok. well its one statement. we dont need a community built around it

3:00 PM  
Blogger streisand said...

chops=is a term for several steak-style cuts of pork from the loin.

3:10 PM  
Anonymous mc said...

actually - the community is built on getting up off your ass and doing interesting and challenging and hopefully somewhat innovative things, and trying to do them well.
Just for the record.

3:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

community= who can post the weirdest picture comment on myspace

3:32 PM  
Anonymous Justin said...

stonedranger - this is the best post i've ever seen on this blog. wish i could say the same for the resulting "discussion", but thanks for the article.

3:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um. Noise is the new Punk. Most noise bands are very lucky to have any sorta of publicity. They know it. So quit trying to pump noise into the mainstream. its already there in very user friendly ways. those who like it know where to find it. DFW is DFW there will never be more than 50 of you who really care. The rest go with the trends from year to year. nothing wrong with that. if you really want a community for art and out there music open a venue and support your local true artists pushing the limits of sound and participation.

3:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh and this concept is nothing new of opening a house to like minded artists playing and living the scene of their choice. Emo had houses in Denton back in the day doing the same thing.

3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:50 -- I think stoney is trying to "support your local true artists pushing the limits of sound and participation" by apprising peope that such places and artists exist.

4:08 PM  
Anonymous TJ Cruz said...

fuck you i love noise

were not trying to be the next merzbow or anything. just like the germs werent trying to be the next ramones

ill see you in the pit at the next prurient show

4:09 PM  
Anonymous MILES'S SELF said...



4:13 PM  
Anonymous mb said...

Great article. Thanks.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous tori day said...

that article kicked so much fucking ass

5:22 PM  
Anonymous white whip said...

Prurient eats a big squishy steaming Hot Lunch off his corroded pile of Whitehouse CDs

6:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lance is what's wrong w/ spune.

...it was good in the beginning, but now it's "i'm having a festival, look who will be there.... black tie dynasty, deathray davies, 300 bands that sound similar to one of those two bands, some headlining act that is highly washed up, and bullshit".

what good, new band has spune introduced lately? it's like dallas' version of the OC, just taking bands that are already considered good and slaming everyone over the head w/ them again and again and again and again and again and again.

and again.

7:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh, and now we're just picking STYLES of music that people dig.... if spune was around 10 years ago they would be hyping dallas' newest rap-metal bands.

people need to start booking some serious shit, i'm sick of the same people playing w/ the same people, and the same 3 "hot local acts" opening for all the touring bands that got a high-rating on pitchfork.

grow some balls. i thought that was the one advantage you had over the typical dallas band-booker.... balls.

7:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

over and over and over and over and over and over and over..sums up the scene perfectly. Hey did you here Denton has a noise scene???

7:32 PM  
Blogger Silence Productions said...

So Lance puts on a festival and that's what's wrong with Spune?

You create a festival, email me, and I'll come to it.

After that post a response.

9:10 PM  
Anonymous angels said...


9:19 PM  
Anonymous will said...

thanks for the kind words, mike.

see everybody, mike likes us, and we aren't part of the 'noise' scene...unless you're talking to my grandmother, but she's just a bitch.

9:34 PM  
Blogger brooks said...

I love that the main criticism is coming from a guy that sounds like he is just jealous that his own "scene" has passed. Or maybe Stoned Ranger didn't put his band on the it list.

I don't think any of the members of any of the bands would be shocked to hear that most of us won't be involved with music in the sense that we are now. We are all aware that some of the bands will break up, disappear, move on... whatever... But that doesn't change the fact that everyone participating in this feels like they are apart of something. It seems much better to go out and do something creative, even if it is derivative, than to sit around on the computer bitching about shit.

I would rather go see Shiny Around The Edges over most touring bands; because I am interested in the bands like Shiny and Fra... not because I feel like I am cool while I am at a local show (I don't have to try to feel cool... it just happens naturally for me). But that is what makes DFW interesting because I didn't feel that way until I moved to Denton. While I was in Austin, I never felt connected to what was happening because there was no solidarity and plus there was nothing near as interesting going on in Austin... The were no In. Dot. Dat.s or even places like J&J's Pizza!!!

All the bitching that goes on here just sounds like jealousy!

What does it matter if sometimes we may disagree with the way Lance books a show or a review that WSJR writes? They are just doing their thing... I guess your thing is crying like a little girl. sucka!

2:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Parlor Pizza in Austin is just as cool or cooler than J & J's. Did you just go to Room 710?

9:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lance certaintly isn't doing anything "cool" or "interesting"

...unless you REALLY think that huge thing in fort worth wasn't a flop.

and anyone who's willing to book black tie dynasty more than 10 times a year really doesn't have my confidence....at all

10:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

in lance's defense (and i'm the anon who posted about how shitty he is) the one that books the same bands over and over for national acts is daughter. lance isn't competent or connected enough to book anything other than exclusively local shows. which he doesn't bother promoting or showing up to or being involved in other than to take money and put his name on things. the problem with daughter runs OH SO MUCH DEEPER than the apathy of lance.

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah we need more investigative reporting on daughter. Some one from this site should set up an interview.

11:47 AM  
Anonymous mc said...

The Parlor has better pizza (albeit more expensive) and better beer than J&J's ... but it is really tiny, esp if the bands are playing inside (and I've never seen a show out back). Perfect for really screwed up stuff that appeals to 8 people though ... I've seen some great shit there, like Jherri Siggnfeldt'z Atropheid Sac, e.c.f.a. and RUSTED SHUT!

2:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

now if you think for a moment look back at your history as an "artist" you will notice that a beat is only a 30 hertz deviation from another tone. two tones

29 hertz
then 59 hurts

so can you measure i can

i listen all day long to the pipes in the walls and the c.d.s skipping in my neighbors apartment

then the cornbread then i sweep and produce like rabid pregnant coyote.

produce like the kind from argentina that we eat

no!! its not from here but it is

i know it is

-sinevil(violent squid, burntsienna trio, terrible fish, distortellique,(john zorn's cobra) silver arrows, the red team, pink slips (co-founder), GOdamnit!, the shortwaves,Psychic rattlers and other experimental non grammy winners.....LOVE LOVE LOVE

2:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

silver arrows? are you fucking crazy?

2:17 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

ofcourse sinevil is fucking crazy, that's the charm

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

once i saw silver arrows and wanz and some other bands and it was the most ridiculous show ever.

2:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to all of you that don't get it:

noise is about, as rashaan roland kirk once put it, "the climax-iphone force of being here"

it exists in the moment, and if you dont let it take you, it never will.

3:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"to all of you that don't get it:
noise is about, as rashaan roland kirk once put it, "the climax-iphone force of being here"
it exists in the moment, and if you dont let it take you, it never will.
1:45 PM "


3:53 PM  
Blogger Silence Productions said...

see these are the things you should explain when you are going to bash someone. very valid points you have. I haven't witnessed this on a first hand basis. Yes, my tastes differ from inviting black tie dynasty to every show on my agenda but I'm just not ready to throw lance under the bus. He's much better than the EC, or anything that Deep Ellum Live & Co. used to do.

6:06 PM  
Blogger Silence Productions said...

above is response to this:

Anonymous said...

in lance's defense (and i'm the anon who posted about how shitty he is) the one that books the same bands over and over for national acts is daughter. lance isn't competent or connected enough to book anything other than exclusively local shows. which he doesn't bother promoting or showing up to or being involved in other than to take money and put his name on things. the problem with daughter runs OH SO MUCH DEEPER than the apathy of lance.

8:51 AM

6:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Apathy of Lance Yokum

7:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

silence, i know lance is a really hard worker, i just can't figure out what the fuck it is he actually is doing. cause it sure isn't attending shows he books. it sure isn't flyering shows or putting up posters. it sure isn't seeking out new talent to promote.

these are all things the bands themselves have to do.

lance is just a stumbling block. a middle man. and its very frustrating to have to deal with.

daughter is less of a stumbling block and more of an obstacle course. and that's just to get them to email you back.

12:14 AM  
Blogger tystamp said...

there's obviously SOMETHING going on here. looks like some people are starting to get together and do alittle work toward common ideas and goals without any help from the conventional space provided by their surroundings. that's neat. bands. friends. special hangouts. new stuff to do. all good things for the environment i live in. i like things to happen. things have happened. neat. it's always been neat and will be neat.
if you have a problem with things like this happening then truly try to enlighten everybody as of why this is a bad or negative thing. because someone who likes improv or jams or free-jazz, or experimenting experimental music - they're sophomoric, can't play their instruments and can't write songs? ha! write songs...for you? forget about it. :) who cares if any or all of that is even true. it doesn't matter. this is a breeding-ground for good and positive things and possibilities for music. don't just slander it with empty bashings. i don't see how people working collectively is something shitty at all. regardless of how long or what it is. it's always neat. it's happening. mable peabodys was neat and it happened. and is happening every once in a while i guess. wow. what a cool place and good times i had there. different thing then than the current thing but gotta say that it didn't matter because it was fun. it was unique. hey so another group of people in town that have the means to nurture their own flavors. sounds like a really great idea! can't wait to see how it all works out. oh i wouldn't generalize about hippies being 'laidback' or any bullshit like that if you're going to talk shit about people not respecting history and people not labeling things like 'noise' then don't do it yourself. everybody pulls out their measuring sticks in life. just by making such comments you are. adjusting yourself as ahead or of better status than. many of you are being pretty ridiculous. it's pretty unhealthy.

12:29 AM  
Anonymous andrewmichael said...

Dear We Shot J.R.-

Thank you for the very interesting article. I had one of those post-post-modern moments: reading about yourself and then reading people's opinions about it. Very strange.

Thank you for the experience. I must add however, for the record, that New Century Art has always operated under the premise of no industry-no commercial success. It is not a desire of mine, for many reasons. I am not making a value judgment against anyone who so desires such results by personally negating that aspect of my goals. Indeed, one of the principles of my artistic philosophy is that with the advent of these new electronic mediums "commercial success" is irrelevant or relative.

As merely one player out of millions in this web of neo-media art, it is impossible to ignore that even a reaction against the idea of artistic commercial success is mostly futile.

We simply are. We simply exist in a new world. If I had to project (and how I do like to project) I see the evolution of this new game being built upon a foundation of free. Free=No compromise, only self-editing.

Of course all of that said with me defining “commercial success” as any contractual obligations to produce within the corporate and industrial entertainment arena. Not necessarily popularity. But even the nature of “popular” is changing. For as you can see all of us are now popular. Even the anonymous poster is becoming a popular mass movement.

Once again, my most sincere thanks and I have to say that I rather enjoy your blog. It not only provides stellar content but also provides the potential for very interesting discussions. That is when the players use it to its fullest potential and with a sense of integrity.

All the best,
Andrew Michael

3:07 AM  
Blogger brooks said...

Well spoken Tystamp... To quote Hook "Good form Jack."

3:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TY. PUT DOWN THE DRUGS. YOU ARE ABOUT TO BE A FATHER, GOD HELP US ALL. Andrew Michael, take off the smoking jacket, quit using words like "rather," and fuck Denton.

9:33 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

andrew michael,

I think you are absolutely right about the fact that "commercial success" is a subjective phrase, and that you don't really need to have, or rally against, "commercial success" in order to have some kind of success these days.

11:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

commercial suck cess commercial abcess commercial drycleaning

since when did being an artist require knowledge in business?

people used to tell stories and eat together, converse, and play music. now there is always that one guy who really needs the extra attention. who has to "make it".
music if fucking very old. most shit has been done. its still should be fun though.
Well let the guy make it. We will watch and listen as he or she hits the corporat feeder bar. We will eat together and drink and make music that some people just will not like. Its gotta have "that" beat you know BOOM BOOM BOOM scratch sizzle. or the HOOK!
gotta cheeto?

the good thing to remember is none of the "noise" will be musak. it would be cool if we evolved to that point though. John Cage Musak. Pharoah Sanders Musak. Luc Ferrarri MUsaK. Cecil fucking taylor... tape composition musak.

We should try and make the most out our scene and get to know each others music before the wave is over and everyone moves on to bigger and better mortgages and day jobs even lovers or whatever it is that any of us might be passionate about underneath the burning foliage that is musik.

(on another note)
My opinion this part of the country is slow because of the temperature. it has an odd effect. sorta like electronics in the heat. they just quit working. we are electro-mechanical-chemical organisms. we require more specific living conditions than we think.
we should be talking about uniting and making something for the next group of people who want to express themselves in this area.
you know save a little brother or sister some time and give them a good microphone or a guitar or suggest rhythym section or vitamin complex. so many things to talk about such little time. time is precious we all know that. a bridge to save time.


11:41 AM  
Anonymous scott said...

In related news, the Fra Pandolf/Notes from the Underground tour ended in Brooklyn last night, and in the audience was Mr. Thurston Moore! How cool is that?
For a bunch of young dudes on their first tour, that's a rad way to finish up, especially consdering that they had honed their set every night for two weeks. I hear the tour was great, that America treated them very well. As of last Friday, they had not had to pay one cent out of their pocket for gas.

12:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thats good news for sure. people from denton are doing well on tour right now. thats awesome


12:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fishboy had a good tour too, ended up making more money than they spent. hooray.

12:39 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

most of us are aware of the fact that we are treading through charted ground, that the frequencies that go chirp chirp hickup splat are everywhere, always have been, but to collect these sounds, and displace them is, in itself, art. there is no doubt that some other dood in a basement, crouched over an effects chain, has created similar sounds, but every performance is a snow flake, unique in its own right, differing in every way that vibrations can, crests and trofts rising and falling. even if someone has done it before, that doesn't make it futile, discovering your own capabilities in a cross-section of flowing time is never futile, its about holding your ear out to the world, taking the ears out of your mouth, not listening to your own voice for just a second. existing, relative subjective and on and on. sound is an experience in the midst of experiences, and if you deny yourself experience, you deny yourself everything, so, even if the sound of a-tonal scraping isn't for you, its not like its coming through your window, its not like you have been forced. so why do you feel the urge to hate it?

12:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm pretty sure Thurston Moore goes to every show in Brooklyn every night of the week (or, at least, you'd think so based on the number of bands to claim that he was present at one of their shows).

1:05 PM  
Blogger jamo said...


I have written you an open letter


please read it.


1:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

jamo, it's not the art that we hate, it's not the desire to create, it's not the unique aspect of on the fly composition... those are wonderful things. It's the people. You guys, no matter what you say... You think your art is higher. You think it is more pure. You think it is smarter. You guys write these 10 paragraph responses to everything, dumbing it down for us. You close us out. It doesn't matter if you say that you don't. Because you do. If that's how we feel, it is a true feeling. Get over yourself.

2:17 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

who is we?

2:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we am us.

2:31 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

actually, based on what you just said, I thing you should get over yourself, but that's just my opinion, and its a true one.

2:31 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

and, of course, by thing, I meant think.

2:32 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

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2:41 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

I'm sorry, one last thing and I won't post any more at all:

I'm not trying to dumb anything down to anyone, I'm trying to be inclusive. trying to explain an abstract idea isn't dumbing it down, its abstracting it further into language, which has to be simple because it is the closest to universal that anything will ever get. I understand that trying to make the personal universal is the definition of futility and I accept that, I just think its equally futile to get pissed every time someone tries to explain what they are doing and why they do it.

2:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are explaining music. You are trying to explain music. I get music. I get the noise scene. I enjoy and appreciate myriad styles of music, as well as cinema, visual art, and literature. Quit trying to explain everything to everybody. I don't need a lesson. I understand the concepts of structure, improv, exploration, experimentation, tension, freedom, and risk. It does not change the fact that you are a pretentious young college kid who thinks that only he and other freshman art students "get it". Shut up and fucking play.

3:04 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

if you get it, then don't read the blog. its that simple.

3:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also, you are now the new Wanz. Noise=Space Rock. You=Wanz, trying to make us little minds get that you are deep. Wow, you met who at what house party? Man, you did what where and how weird was it? Unheard of! DRONE ON, YOU TRAGIC VICTIM OF THE MAINSTREAM! I'll be ten steps behind as you rush into the future aboard your gleaming rocket propelled delay pedal!

3:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"if you get it, then don't read the blog. its that simple."

Another perfect example of extreme thinking from a rookie scholar and budding artist. It's part of your charm, I suppose, but in no way does it validate your point. It's also very similiar to Republican thinking, isn't it? You're either for us or against us?

3:11 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

YOU ARE NOT BEHIND ME, THAT'S THE POINT! jesus, I don't want to exclude you from anything, and I am not a victim, have you read anything in my blog! if you want to come buy and jam with us sometime, by all means you are welcome to! stop being so reactionary and stop making assumptions, this isn't about how "deep" I am, or how "far in the future" I am, shit dude, chill out.

3:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, I can't hear you with New Weird Denton's dick in your mouth. You'll need to spit that out before we can continue.

3:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, come on. That last one was pretty funny. Lighten up.

4:13 PM  
Anonymous Thurston Moore said...

I am overrated.

4:21 PM  
Anonymous kirk said...


Someone’s at least got a dick in this blog to post other than anonymous. If you guys are so heartfelt about hating this movement, whether it be national or between 3 fucking people, than walk up and fight the sons of bitches!

Otherwise, nothing is wrong with promoting creativity; no matter how abstract, simple, WEIRD, quiet, loud it is.

What these guys are doing is time well spent, opposed to your likes. Sitting in your dorm rooms growing your beards. Or being 30 years old and bitter over the fact that you were never involved in anything. That’s the thing guys, it seems as though people who have been involved in projects, collectives, “eras” and so forth usually don’t hate on other groups. Its about respecting the want for unity.

Not developing some upperclass denizen brigade.

These guys have been kind and willing to get anyone involved possible, benefit free.

So, chill!

4:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kirk said blah blah blah.

4:45 PM  
Anonymous mc said...

Random bullets:

- I am really happy for Notes & Fra. I could not have picked a better "friends' band" for Thurston to see. I happen to think Notes is the best band in Texas right now ... and I like a lot of diverse shit.

- Also, I have seen Thurston at random shows during SXSW, and that was this year. Therefore, I know he still goes out.

- Also, jamo is an exuberant dork (in the best way) and not pretentious at all. He just has fun flirting with pretension. There is nothing wrong with that, I do the same thing. He is not holier than thou.

- There is a very cool Halloween mini-drone fest shaping up @Tinnitus involving some longtime experimental types from Austin who are older than Wanz commingling with the current Denton group ... basically it will be a Helloween nightmare in the best way

- If you don't go to Tinnitus tonight, my money is on Okkervil River and Pleasant Grove @ Sons of Herman Hall (oh wait, there are only like two other people in DFW who would consider both shows ... and Marcus from PG is one of the others)

5:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

holy shit!

Moon Rider!!!

1:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy Shit!!

Moon Rider!!!

1:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


what's up?

1:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nadda chillin

1:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it would be cool if house of tinnitus had some fucking microphones so i didnt have to watch kyle from night game cult sing over a loud as hell mix...

granted its fun and has appeal but how is one to be responsive to the musical enviroment?
fuck it
its "noise"
said the journalist.
(i fuckin love kyle and denton and people)

whoever wrote the equasion that one sentence defines a place by saying it sucks then somehow that means the people suck begs for instant microwave dinner style enlightenment. mcdonalds also has a new 99 cent menu.. dood!!!

i mean blogger

eat pop ice and drink microbrew but whatever you do dont wear all black. the canadians will laugh at you man...they will i got to their country and read their magazines and they do laugh at us and brittain thinks that all of our beer taste like sprite.

5:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ANY music is better than none at all in this country.

we have no clue how close to martial law this country is getting.

for fucking real

how about support for music of all kinds.. the aesthetic of beauty cant just be some narrow bandwidth.

it takes all fucking kinds.
how about some respect and equality.
we should see our music scene as something that could be nurtered.

its promising lets not let tainted ego
blow it for all of us for once.
i dont want to wait ten more years for something interesting to happen.

each genre type is linked one way or the other.
i want to see some unity for once and a co-op or something that just doesnt relocate to new york or something.
not knocking new york
or anything but come on

LETS SPARK something here.

respect even to those who have overated art. who cares. hang around long enough someone will listen to what you are doing and spread the word.
its important to remember to have fun.
who the fuck wants to regret time spent especially when its so precious.


5:59 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

you want to give us $$$$$ for more mics and shit?


6:48 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

and... it would be cool if performers had their own mics? no?

6:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Noise, man. It's, like, totally where it's at, man.

6:50 PM  
Blogger tystamp said...

anon. excuse me? you mind telling your name please. i mean if we're going to get personal here then let's be personal.

9:02 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

I have to back up ty for a minute... I don't care a bit about all the stupid comments about what my friends and I are doing, but when you take a blind, personal fucking stab at someone like that, and not even state who you are, that's fucked up, you people really need to learn some respect.

9:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

po·lite ( P ) Pronunciation Key (p-lt)
adj. po·lit·er, po·lit·est
Marked by or showing consideration for others, tact, and observance of accepted social usage.
Refined; elegant: polite society.

[Middle English polit, polished, from Latin poltus, past participle of polre, to polish. See polish.]
po·litely adv.
po·liteness n.
Synonyms: polite, mannerly, civil, courteous, genteel
These adjectives mean mindful of, conforming to, or marked by good manners. Polite and mannerly imply consideration for others and the adherence to conventional social standards of good behavior: “It costs nothing to be polite” (Winston S. Churchill). The child was scolded by his grandmother for not being more mannerly. Civil suggests only the barest observance of accepted social usages; it often means merely neither polite nor rude: If you can't be friendly, at least be civil. Courteous implies courtliness and dignity: “If a man be gracious and courteous to strangers, it shows he is a citizen of the world” (Francis Bacon). Genteel, which originally meant well-bred, now usually suggests excessive and affected refinement: “A man, indeed, is not genteel when he gets drunk” (James Boswell).

10:57 AM  
Blogger blixaboy said...

this entire thread is beyond embarrasing. go read a book.

2:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When trying to start a noise rock scene, it is important to remember two things. 1. You are a gaywad and 2. nobody cares except your blogging roommate. It is helpful to be enrolled in college; that way when people question the integrity of your clique, you can respond with quotes from textbooks, instead of your own opinion. Also, practice does NOT make perfect. It takes away from the "moment", which for those of us that "get it" is shorthand for the exact second you spin the little knobs on your pedal to change the sound of the note that you can't name. It's okay, though, because remember... This isn't about technique, it isn't about structure, it isn't about popularity, it isn't about aqcceptance, it isn't about collecting as much "vintage" gear that you can, carrying it in a quirky suitcase, sitting on the floor (VERY daring!), and nodding knowingly at you blogging roommate. Gaywad. Welcome to the newest trend! You are truly cutting edge! Well, except that even Sonic Youth is over the whole "noise" thing. But just imagine... In 20 years, when you finally figure out how to write a song? You will be heralded as geniuses!

2:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the "structure" whatever. music is something you hear and you imagine the "structure" on your own. hands down there is no real approach to music. you guys might as well be bitching about which styling gel you use in your hair or who drinks the best kind of beer. and well all remember in twenty years if cancer doesnt get us first.

2:59 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

thanks, I haven't been called a gaywad since seventh grade.

5:10 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

I hope everyone read that shit! some person I have never met or seen just called me a "gaywad" what kind of fucked up backwoods shit is this?

5:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why take it personally? I wasn't actually singling you out. Are you "trying to start a noise rock scene"?

5:17 PM  
Blogger blixaboy said...

you people really need to stop. If you don't like something don't listen to it and don't support it. The more variety we have around here the better it is for everyone. Really. Go do something productive.

5:29 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

jamo, are you really a gaywad? If I had known that, I would have never written about you and your gayqueer friends.

5:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

gaywad is funny. There's no way around it. You clearly do not "get it",

5:40 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

OH, you mean, I don't get that gaywad is a term that only sexually frustrated adolescent boys in underfunded school districts say to eachother?

6:00 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

"underfunded school disticts."


6:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TINNITUS shook the weird out of nu-denton

6:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Imagine that, some liberal arts sweatervest wearing rich boy bags on underfunded public schools. They didn't offer music theory at the Academy?

9:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

right on, 7:18.

10:25 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

oh? I'm rich now?

dude, I make peanuts, seriously.

11:06 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

imagine that, some anonymous assholes decide to bag on a group of artists that just happen to get a small amount of press...

11:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

right on, jamo

see, I can post anonymously too!

11:18 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

And was he really bagging on underfunded schools, or was it just a joke? I'm pretty sure it was the latter. And was 718 merely joking in return? I hope so.

11:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you folks just fuck and get it over with. Down here in austin, all the people in the noise scene do that and it works great. We have some seriously hot chicks like niki who make us suck each other off on video. We don't sell any CD's but we sell the hell outa them videos. Just asque MC...

11:30 AM  
Blogger Joseph. said...

Okay, guys. Seriously.

Everyone here needs to grow up. You guys are bagging on a genre that you don't understand, obviously. Personally, I nearly pissed myself when I read about the House of Tinnitus. I was so glad that there was somewhere that was finally willing to sponsor this sort of music.

I love noise, and I see the beauty in it. I'm not gonna diss anyone here, because it's the fucking internet, and if you have nothing to do all day but bag on people who are out there, spending time and money and energy to further a cause they truly believe in, then you guys have already embarassed yourselves much more than I ever could.

I'm happy about this. I dig Merzbow, I dig Prurient, I dig Wolf Eyes, I dig Black Dice, I dig Whitehouse, I dig all of this rad stuff. I think it's legit. I make harsh noise myself, and I can tell you: it's not as easy as it looks.

For these guys to go onstage and take the risk of being humiliated by crowds of indie frathouse douchebags, for them to really be doing something volatile enough for you to hate them that much, means there IS something artistic going on. Noise is the new jazz, in my opinion, and if you don't agree, that's cool.

Just don't call each other gaywads, for fuck's sake.

3:02 PM  

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