It List: Thursday
Lost Generation (Fallout Lounge): Wanz is at The Beauty Bar in Austin tonight and we're not sure who's filling in for him. Please leave a comment if you know who it is.
80's Night With DJ G (Hailey's)
ADD: The Slowburners/Stanton Meadowdale/RTB II/Audrey Lapraik (Dan's Silverleaf)
Also: Stonedranger and I have been text arguing about Hillary Clinton all week. What do you think?
80's Night With DJ G (Hailey's)
ADD: The Slowburners/Stanton Meadowdale/RTB II/Audrey Lapraik (Dan's Silverleaf)
Also: Stonedranger and I have been text arguing about Hillary Clinton all week. What do you think?
posted by Defensive Listening at 4:16 PM
52 Comments:
I'd hit it
I fucking hate Hillary. She's a neo-con.
I think shes fucking gross. Which one of you jerks are for her? DL? It's gotta be DL. Get over it! Wait until theres a real woman running for president. She is fake as fake can be.
Hillary is running on a mix of polices from GW JR.'s first, and second run for the presidency..
plain, and simple.. she has ran for the middle ground, and has aligned with business/military complexes..
i wonder why you think libertarians are not compassionate.. when you are aligned with Hilary lets leave nuclear war on the table Clinton
p.s. I <3 you
yep... it's DL alright. I myself was an Edwards supporter for most of the campaign until I watched Obama's victory speech in Iowa. It was excellent. And it isn't that I would allow myself to be romanced by one simple speech, but since I liked Edwards' populism and it doesn't appear that he can win, I've switched to Obama.
Hillary Clinton is the absolute worst. Wall Street loves her. The military-industrial complex loves her. So do drug companies and insurance companies and sub prime mortage lenders. Why? Because she and her husband have gone to bat for those people time and time again, and have done so much to push this country farther to the right that it isn't even funny. Progressives (or leftists as I like to call us) no longer have a part in this country, and it is thanks to Clinton triangulation.
Hillary voted to authorize the war in Iraq. She voted for the patriot act. She voted for changes in the Bankruptcy code that made it harder for consumers to file. Basically, she is a republican in sheep's clothing, and I'm not going to take another democratic nomination based solely on who can win. She stands for nothing and believes in nothing.
Lucky for her, as a Texas resident, my vote is completely worthless in both the primaries and the general election, so she doesn't have to worry about me. Too bad we have to worry about her.
But she cries real tears, man.
and for the record, I should have let DL state an opinion on here first because all I actually know is that DL doesn't completely despise Clinton like I do, and I think everyone should hate her.
and yes, those tears were fake and completely planned.
16 point turn around amongst women voters within 24 hours. Congrats Mark Penn!
The whole Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton thing weirds me out.. It\'s weird enough without her being elected.
yes, because it could end up being:
Bush (vp)
Bush (vp)
Bush (p)
Clinton (p)
Clinton (p)
Bush (p)
Bush (p)
Clinton (p)
Clinton (p)
think about that one for a minute
you just blue my mind
I'd take Ron Paul over any of the Dems.
I'd be just as happy with Obama or Clinton. The truth of it is that nobody is going to be left enough for SR or myself, as he basically stated. I voted for Nader in the last two elections so...
The past eight years have pushed me even further to the left than I thought possible. But the Naderist idealism I had in the last two elections has been unraveled by the stark truth that idealism can be destructive if it comes at the cost of ignoring the consequences of reality. In this case- the reality of an improbably oppressive administration. We knew it would be bad. But nobody predicted how terrible things would ultimately get. And that's just it-in light of how terrible the country has become, Hillary is fine with me. Not ideal, but I think we could at least undo some of the damage done to our international standing. I think that's the best we can do right now. On a somewhat related note that's hard to ignore, I've always been a fan of her husband. Easily the best President in my lifetime, I doubt anyone would debate that very much. Unless you're a "Reagan Conservative" (and you might be), or a fan of either Bush. Carter's okay, but wasn't enough of a politician to stay in office. And that's what we need, not just a democrat, but a democrat who can get reelected.
p.p.s
i know some say theocracy..
some say polyarchy..
i say monarchy.. welcome to the world of family rule..
"There are adults in college that have never had a president other than a Bush or a Clinton.
January 19, 1989 was the last day a Bush or a Clinton was not "leading" us.
January 19, 1981 was the last day that a Bush or Clinton wasn't in the Executive Branch."
Well said, DL. I voted for Nader twice too. I'd vote for a third party candidate now, because unless Texas really changes our vote doesn't really matter. Perhaps this will be the year that a vote for a Democrat in Texas could win. I think that's unlikely though.
I was an Edwards supporter too. I like Obama. I agree with you SR about Hillary. I don't believe she really stands for anything. I mean she voted for this war. I don't know if her tears are real or not, don't really care. I care whether she's sold out to corporate interests. Sadly, I think they all have. I increasingly view myself more as a populist for that reason. I'd be intrigued by Paul, but I think he's too isolationist.
So, all said, I'll vote for Obama.
In '92 Bill Clinton came out with all the great liberal ideals -- gay rights, military cutbacks, universarl health care, etc. But in '94 the Democrats got slaughtered. So what did he do in order to get reelected? He became a Republican. And he was nearly as much of a war monger as Bush.
If people really think Hillary as president will be that much of a change from Bush, they need to turn off their stupid iPhones and wake the fuck up.
DRC Politix Bored.
how is paul an isolationist.. he said he would reopen trade, and travel restrictions with iran, cube, and north korea..
maybe i'm thinking of some other form of isolationism..
military cutbacks?? when was that a liberal ideal?? under what administrations did the military complex grow?? under what administration did we go to war with vietnam??
the military grew under Eisnehower. It got bigger under LBJ. Just because LBJ was a Democrat, it didn't make him a liberal.
Ron Paul supporters piss me off. Do you really want to go back to the gold standard?
on Isolationism, it was my understanding that he thinks there's virtually no reason why we would use our military. I'm strongly against the war in Iraq and have been from the start, I marched against it, but I think the war in Afghanistan was and is different.
Perhaps I'm not recalling his position correctly, but I think that's right.
Ron Paul is a complete Joke 5:30.
Obama '08
www.sillyhipsters.blogspot.com
Ron Paul will be the next President of the United States. Mark my words.
Stonedranger,
I am the guy who posted the text remarks of Barack's 2002 speech opposing the Iraq war a few months ago. Glad to have you aboard, as well as any of your fellow Edwards supporters. Do not mistake his lack of anger his lack of passion. We are going to build a coalition that will be heard to break this 20+ years of gridlock over partisan politics.
Even better, electing Barack will signal to our allies overseas will end this era of arrogance in American foreign policy and show our country is ready to grow up and move beyond our internal squabbles.
RTB2 is gonna be great.
At least we can agree on one thing around HQ- Obabma is definately the most fuckable.
I can't believe people are even considering voting for that horrible lying hag. First and foremost because she is, as has been pointed out already, a Republican in sheep's clothing. But she's not "electable," and I can't believe anyone thinks she is. There are way too many mouth-breathing Rush fans whose hatred for the Clintons knows no bounds. People who haven't voted since 1996 would show up just to vote against her.
DO I WANT THE EVIL PUPPET ON THE LEFT OR THE EVIL PUPPET ON THE RIGHT?
I know this makes me sound stupid, but I'll start giving a shit when there's not a million of them to choose from. No need to get all pissed off over something I can't do anything about anyway.
And awww, that's cute, sillyhipster has a blog.
politics don't matter anyways. we don't decide shit. really and half of america if not more is not educated enough to either care, or understand whats going on.
AMEN ET,
I'd bed me some Obama any day of the week.
"spectator democracy"-Noam Chomsky
On Bedding Obama
I woke up to his dark, slender fingers rustling through my hair, and it was a welcome change. Most days feel like that Tom Petty line, it was too cold to cry when I woke up alone, but not today. Obama's next to me, still next to me, he didn't run out in the middle of the night, and I start to see a pattern. The middle of the night, the middle class, Obama is committed. Last night I didn't think the man in the green tank-top dancing with his friends would amount to much more than any other party boy I've met over the last year. But when he started shouting we are your friends, you will never be alone again, it was so much more than a party anthem. It was a revolution, and I knew I had to have him. In my pants.
"As idealism approaches reality the costs become prohibitive" William F. Buckley
Woaaaa!!!!!!!! Gotcha!!!!!!! HAHA!!!!!!!
I have always supported pushing everything to the right as far as possible until the whole fucking thing implodes on itself and we have to start from scratch.......so naturally I VOTE ROMNEY!!!! A Demo is just going to delay the inevitable....Don't you want your grandkids to take part in global anarchy and a total collapse of nation states????
840- Post of the day! Brilliant.
politics don't matter anyways. we don't decide shit. really and half of america if not more is not educated enough to either care, or understand whats going on.
oh please, why take a shower if youre only gonna get dirty?... quit trying to cut chicken with a plastic fork and nut up, son
"politics don't matter anyways. we don't decide shit. really and half of america if not more is not educated enough to either care, or understand whats going on."
I have about as much respect for this argument as I do for the argument that the Earth is 4,000 years old.
If you don't know what's going on, then learn. If you think you have no power, fight to gain power or use whatever littler power you have. This slacker bullshit has got to end. The world is in its most fragile state since Hitler goose-stepped all over France.
Hey Obama '08 supporters - I don't know about you, but, I don't want my government taxing the shit out me in every way possible. Bush (even though he was a terrible President) at least got it right wiht his tax cuts.
poor scarlett,
she's not listening.
Hey 8:50- Yeah, it's much better for the government to cut Your taxes and not cut the budget, conduct a war and run a deficit to pass on to future generations. Bush inherited a budget surplus which he promptly squandered and has never been upfront or honest about the costs in Iraq.
and hey 850, do you make more than $250,000 a year, or do you stand to inherit a fortune, or does your family have a lot of money? If not, then you really didn't benefit from the Bush "tax cuts" at all. Most people received less than $200 back, if anything, and with Bush's foreign policy directly affecting rising oil prices, you probably pumped that 200 bucks away at the gas station a long time ago (and then some). And I won't even mention the various other ways that Bush's fiscal policy is costing the middle class money.
Don't be fooled. And when did Obama say anything about raising taxes?
I am not counting Edwards out yet. Yeah, I know that is naive, but its a fucking election, right?
Whe he drops out, I will take Obama. I think Edwards is the real deal, but it seems Obama is better at being Edwards than Edwards is. That speech was gold.
But if it is Hillary, I will pinch my nose and vote for her. And I would even in a state where it actually matters (like Ohio, Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, etc.)
If she is president, and the dems pick up some seats in the Senate, it could be pretty amazing what could be accomplished over the next couple of years. I think we would finally see universal healthcare, and despite her rhetoric, we will be out of Iraq by 2010. That is pretty awesome, whether Hillary is a bought and sold corporate stooge or not.
"Don't be fooled. And when did Obama say anything about raising taxes?"
No, he clearly said "roof" in New Hampshire. I heard him.
"Ron Paul is a complete Joke 5:30. "
What about a kewl indie kid who has never been old enough to vote in a presidential election making a statement like that and not explaining why? You hurt me when you do that. Go listen to your Bright Eyes or something.
Ron Paul 2008
(or yeah maybe Obama 2008 come november, we'll see. I like him too)
"If you don't know what's going on, then learn. If you think you have no power, fight to gain power or use whatever littler power you have. This slacker bullshit has got to end. The world is in its most fragile state since Hitler goose-stepped all over France."
True. We will never see real, concrete change in this country if people our age (Millennials-20s to early 30s) continue to scream “Anarchy” or “I don’t care. It’s all rigged propagandist bullshit.” As if being disempowered were cool. As if buying drugs is the ultimate rebellious act you could commit against this government. Grow up and wake up. Most of us don’t have kids and spouses and houses etc. We have the most power because we’re the most unpredictable. We have the time and the freedom to protest and organize. It is our right and responsibility and abstaining only makes us pathetic enablers of all the “fucked up shit” we whine about.
Ron Paul is a joke:
Have you considered what would happen in a place like Texas if his libertarian dream of state legislation came to pass?
Mandatory church services, death sentences for abortion clinic nurses, etc. Probably not, but I don't want these Texan fucks making even more stupid decisions for me.
Not to mention the great idea of dismantling the FDA, Board of Education, etc., and leaving it up to the states.
We will be able to thank Ron Paul for teaching pure creationism in Texas schools and for giving pharmacutical companies even more power over us.
Not to mention the hanful of documents from the Ron Paul archives describing african-american males as agressive "criminal or near criminal" beings and "animals." Or the ones describing the world's contempt for a 'european way of life.' Racist? He claims to not know anything about them, but how many times can racist garbage come out under your letterhead without you knowing? Only if your constituents are too racist to bring it to your attention. Either way it sucks.
And we're not even to the punchline yet!
PS:Bright Eyes is awesome
and let me clear something up:
Dismantling the FDA gives Big Pharma and Big Agri more power because there will not be any federal tests etc. on the quality of products. These tests already let shit through all the time, so just imagine all the shit they turn back?
I assume the states would form their own groups like the FDA, but I am convinced that these will be less regulated and more easily influenced than the FDA simply through a lack of funding and a lack of governmental checks. Plus, a smaller group of people will be naturally easier to influence.
remove the fda, and put the power into individual states to magistrate drugs, and health care. This would be a big kick in the balls to big pharma, and to our doctor monopolys. can you go to a care practitioner to get a twisted ankle looked at? no! you have to go to a doctor.. why.. fda.. federal licensing, and the doctor monopoly.. can you get marijuana to help pain, or to allow a person to eat because it\'s the only appetite desuppressant that works consistently?? no! why! the fda!
the only thing that the FDA protects anymore is big pharma.. they protect big pharma from small inovative companys who are creating new drugs by creating insane licensing fee\'s(and testing fee\'s) that only big pharma can afford to pay. so the small companies are shut out of releasing their drug products.
have you paid attention to all the drug catastraphies that have happened these past couple years?? most involved the FDA, and pressure from big pharma to pass drugs that should have not been passed.. if they didn\'t do that then the FDA wouldn\'t get there licensing fees from big pharma..
The security you feel from the FDA, is a false one that allows you too sleep at night. If you wish too believe in fairy tales so be it. But believing in the tooth fairy won\'t help that I have to go to a dentist, even though it\'s really his assistant that has 6 months of training cleaning my teeth, and not him and his 8 years of training cleaning.. However I will pay through the roof because I do have to see a dentist to get this service done.. Thanks again mr. fda..
let i digress..
corporations have evolved.. they saw regulation so they put themselves into power as a friend of the regulator.. why fight the power when you can evolve, and control the power..
while those who apose the practices of large corporate entities have not evolved.. they still sit in the street holding banners, doing sit-ins, and \'boycotting\' products.. maybe we should evolve??? maybe we should infiltrate these companies.. start working for them.. manipulating their policys, and exposing their abuses..
maybe we all need to grow up, and be pragmatic..
we don\'t need new science projects, we need a new kind of science.
thank you, and fuck off
It's pretty late in the game so I don't know if you'll check this but:
I never said the FDA was perfect, but do you think that your state will somehow be immune to the influence of corporate money? If anything I think they will be more vulnerable, especially in a state like Texas, notorious for keeping it's hands shoved in Oil interests for...ever(not that the whole country isn't).
And as for these faulty products the FDA is letting through, thanks to pressure from Big Pharma, how many do you think they turn back? And who recalls them when they kill people?
When there is no federal check on the drug companies, they will be able to release every product that the FDA would turn away without any sort of testing. They will be on the market waiting for enough people to die so that the 'invisible hand' can get it off the market, instead of killing some and getting recalled.
Our drug system is already flooded with various useless products and snake oils and the number will only grow when there is no reason to check medicines out.
And as for joining corporations to change them from within, I don't think you understand how corporations work. They do what is best for the people who want to make money. You are going to look the man signing your checks in the face and say 'hey we shouldn't do this, we need to make people feel better, etc?' I doubt it, unless you don't really want that check.
As for that jazz about New Science Projects, people don't need me. I guess. But they do need someone looking out for them, even if that someone has their hand in the pot half the time. It's better than having it there ALL the time.
And your 'reform the system from within' works better for fixing the FDA than it does for fixing a vague and faceless group of multinationals.
Meanwhile you have ignored the loss of the Board of Education and other federally managed institutions.
Oh sorry 10:47 AM,
Ron Paul is a joke BECAUSE:
1. Ron Paul supports significant cuts for taxpayers despite seeking to bind the U.S. dollar to the gold standard. No modern country has used the gold standard since the 1930's as most economists agree it eliminates a bank's ability to provide for credit. The resultant would significantly reduce the poor and middle class from purchasing things like houses and cars.
2. Ron Paul voted YES on HR 4 to recreate a national missile defense similar to the Cold War Era.
3. Ron Paul wrote the official Republican Liberty Caucus Position Statement to ABOLISH the U.S. Dept of Education.
4. Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
5. Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer.
6. [Voted to] Abolish federal Medicare entitlement; leave it to states. That's a great idea...the states should really have a say..especially a state like Texas. TX loves big business.
7. He is not interested in alternative energy. or research into alternative energy.
thanks,
Scarlett
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