Tuesday, August 07, 2007

Matthew Didn't Have Clout: In which a comment thread and a bunk story are injected with a strange truth...

I hate to drudge this up, but I had an addendum about the piece Stonedranger did on Matthew And The Arrogant Sea last week. I have to admit, I was surprised by all of the music industry experts that suddenly came out of nowhere. With such a music savvy population, you'd think that Dallas would have made more of an impact on the national music scene in the past oh, ten to twenty-five years. The figure that MATAS proposed sounded high to everyone, and it could have just been left at that. But what followed was punditry worthy of the Fox News Channel, complete with facts and figures pulled from nowhere and links to Reggaeton budget breakdowns. There was even quite a bit of talk about whether EMI existed at all.

And since D.Construction's (is that worth mentioning anymore?) Lindsay Graham took it upon himself to post a link to an incredibly relevant article about Keith Richards and his big-time book deal the other day, I thought we'd post a link to an article I ran across as well. It was a strange little piece that The Dallas Observer posted on their Unfair Park Blog referencing another article written on a Hip Hop News website exactly one week before Stonedranger posted his Matthew And The Arrogant Sea piece. It was about: EMI striking a "major deal" with a record label in Dallas. Sounds somewhat relevant in light of recent discussion on our fair and lovely blog last week. Some thoughts...

This discussion basically broke down into two groups, those who were immediately dismissive once they read the article (The aforementioned Graham, You Go Live In Utah's Amanda Cobra, our anonymous friends) and then the band, its fans, and us, trying to make sense of the whole thing. I honestly understand why someone might read the piece, see the figure, and just move on not really buying it. But what troubled me was that there was such a smug certainty based on the answers, links and figures of our fellow bloggers, and none of it really added up to the case I was hoping it would. And all along, there was apparently a relevant link that nobody hipped us to. Come on, we can't know everything. I wonder if anyone from The Observer read this whole mess, knew about the article, and decided to keep quiet instead. And yes, posting an article on the Dallas Observer's blog does qualify as "keeping it quiet."

Lindsay Graham suggested that maybe it wasn't "the best time to be "investing" a non-recoupable $6MM in a new act," but I would ask whether the time was right for a label with the business woes of EMI to be investing in DFW Hip-Hop or DFW music period. The aforementioned hip hop deal took place a short time before the Terra Firma buyout, and Hip-hop in particular has never been a very successful Dallas export, save for how people always bring up D.O.C. albums that came out almost twenty years ago and some of the little-known gems you can find on this site. It's actually a real shame that Dallas has never had anything to match the success of Houston's rap scene, which isn't to imply that the talent isn't there. It's just that there seems to be a stigma or even a curse attached to DFW music when it tries to break free of the Metroplex, and DFW hip hop, at least until this point, doesn't seem to be a sure fire profits machine.

So Graham continues:

"I'd suggest handing a $6MM allowance to a bunch of Denton kids (25 or not) is not in line with making a company "look robust." My only hope is that some executive, seeing the end for EMI and likely his career, is making some last-minute, middle-finger gesture to put a pet band on the roster - and Terra Firma on the hook."

So I have to ask: is doing business with a small Dallas rap label, handling distribution, promotion, putting out DVD's and going through the trouble of sending a representative to Dallas all the way from Southern California a good way to make a wounded company look robust? Is this the proverbial "middle-finger gesture" you spoke of? I'd just be interested to hear Lindsay's take, since he seemed to know so much about it when it was just a theory. And I'm definitely not implying that there is six million bucks involved here, but now that it has actually happened with someone, what do you think?

And even more Cavuto-esque financial babble:

"When investing in the stock market, you can always sell your holding and get back (the hopefully appreciated) beginning capital. You cannot do this with a band - especially if it is 'non-recoupable'. We can argue about what the payback period should be for a band, but I assumed 1 to 2 years. Using my same numbers from above, that's 915,000 copies a year."

So Lindsay please apply your "trick" and stock market theory to EMI's new partner, Clout Records . You might know shit about music but you sound like a good businessman. Does Clout strike you as something obviously profitable? I mean, I don't know. For DFW's sake, I hope they are.

Fellow blogger Amanda Cobra offered her own theory to counter former MATAS band manager "Freddie" about why EMI would have any interest in this "freak folk" we've been hearing about for the better part of our aging decade:

"While I appreciate your theory about EMI trying to sneak into the "freak folk" market, I'm pretty sure that particular niche is not something a company like EMI would be worrying about if they are currently being bought out by an investment firm to stabilize their plummeting stock value. Again, just my theory."

Amanda, I would also appreciate your industry analysis as well. What's been more likely to be blasting out of independently owned coffee shops and Urban Outfitters for the past five years or so: Dallas Hip-Hop or Freak Folk? Freak Folk at its core is still basically just a singer-songwriter with various other sonic ornaments to signify that it is not just ordinary folk. Singer-songwriter fare of the experimental variety has done quite well lately, especially in Texas, and its "cool" factor is of the sort that advertisers and executives eat up all the time, rendering the idea of EMI getting into the "freak folk market" just as if not more plausible than EMI getting involved with a DFW hip hop label that, gasp, most people have never even heard of.

The deal is actually significant for a couple of other reasons as well. A record company with EMI's history being owned by a private investment firm makes it the largest privately owned major label in the world. That might actually make dealing with a label as large as EMI less of a dehumanizing experience, since they'll no longer be answering to stockholders, who I'm sure have all the subtlety and charm of our friend Lindsay. Hell, it even brings imprints like DFA that much closer to being truly "indie." Also, the distribution deal between Clout and EMI is a 75/25 split with Clout retaining the rights to the masters. That is actually the definition of what a truly beneficial long term deal should be like, and it's virtually unheard of when dealing with big labels. In fact, most indies will split 50/50 at best.

On the flip side of things, you have an understandably frustrated Stonedranger, forced to keep off-the-record details to himself, as promised, even as the story begins to unravel:

"There is also an entirely untold part of this story that makes a pretty big difference. Unfortunately, at this point, I have promised to keep that portion of the story confidential... but let's just say, for the record, that it involves a smaller record label and a buyout, and if true, it makes the idea of MATAS getting signed out of nowhere less difficult to believe."

And now we know that this actually happened with EMI and another local label two weeks ago, so you might understand why Stonedranger would believe something like that. Little cool labels are pumped with big money from majors all the time. EMI has had various distribution deals in hip-hop, releasing everything from more recent Ice Cube and Fat Joe records to the Beastie Boys' now defunct Grand Royal imprint. Of course, EMI yanking the critically and publicly lauded "Grey Album" by Danger Mouse was a less proud moment in the British company's hip-hop history, but that is neither here nor there.

In the aftermath, Freddie added in his open letter:

"Folks of all levels of involvement (including those with copious experience in the music business) would say things like, "Maybe this is just EMI's pitch and by the time the thing is signed it will be more reasonable", "Maybe their desperate for new markets", etc. When combined with anecdotal evidence about this or that obscure act being given X million dollars for being in the right place at the right time, Matthew's story was made plausible."

Since "this or that obscure act" or in this case, a label with an entire stable of obscure acts, was indeed awarded a contract with the major in question, Matthew starts to not sound as crazy. In fact, I think the truly crazy people are We Shot JR's fellow bloggers who were so smugly sure of themselves and their knowledge of the music industry. I mean, the EMI buyout from Terra Firma was announced a mere nine days after the press release for the Clout Records deal, and it's not as if Clout has some obvious built in profitability that anyone outside the deal would recognize.

I'm not saying Matthew was telling the truth, but I AM saying that those who pretended to know so much don't look quite as savvy: a little known Dallas based music entity (which is really what MATAS and their side projects were as well) was in fact presented with an unusually good deal right before the buyout. Again, this doesn't make Matthew's story true, but it certainly would have changed the debate and at least been something substantial to refer to rather than the rambling made-up figures of Wall Street Journal Op-Ed wannabes. And one more thing (and this goes out to bands, label owners, singers, rappers, artists etc.): If any wack-a-doodle on the internet EVER asks you for a PDF of your contract, no matter what the circumstances, politely tell them to fuck off.



Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, some story about an indie label getting distro through EMI somehow makes plausible that EMI was going to drop $6 Mil on MATAS and their collective. I see.

And obviously, this doesn't make Lindsay wrong. He continues to be right. It seems your problem is that Lindsay was so sure he was right. So this post, while not proving Lindsay wrong, is dedicated to attacking Lindsay's confidence in own CORRECT opinion, and which continues to be correct.

That has be the most retarded boloney I've ever read.

11:46 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

wow. you're really dumb.

12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

me bored with MATAS, moving on to Scorpions.

seriously, ANOTHER post on THIS?

12:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lee hazlewood dies and you fucks blather on about some other stupid fucks



12:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good points, but you could have made them with about 75 percent fewer words. Drawing it out and repeating the same arguments over and over makes me think this is more a personal thing against the other bloggers than healthy debate.

12:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree 12:17pm. Lee Hazelwood dying is way more news worthy. I have not seen too much about his passing away.

12:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pardon me, im not trying to be obviously stupid here, but im not really seeing the connection. is the investment in clout anywhere close to $6M? For all we know it could be $600K. i dont see any $ figure stated and i have zero idea how much business clout records does, but a larger label investing in a smaller one with a stable of performers, providing distribution, etc, sounds a lot more plausible than them giving some nutjob a $6M nonrecoupable deal. im sure i can expect SR or DL to come back w/ a similar response as "wow. youre really dumb", and while that may be true, id like it explained.

12:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, and you know what is really eery to me is that at Cavern last thursday, the video DJ played Nancy Sinatra. kinda freaked me out when I heard about his death.

12:30 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

honestly, did you read this post?

Summary: some people were saying that it was dumb for us to have published information about the fake MATAS deal (even with the proper attribution to the information) because something like that could NEVER HAPPEN because EMI doesn't exist and even if they did they would never sign an unknown local bands and their side projects because it's a bad business decision and it's crazy and shit are we stupid.

And you know what? the people that doubted the validity of the deal were right: there was no deal. But they weren't right for the right reasons, and that is what we were trying to point out: the reasoning didn't make any sense because EMI did something very similar weeks earlier, despite how sure everyone seemed to be that they didn't even exist anymore (based all on another blog post and some crap on EMI's site apparently).

There was also the reference to the confidential part of the MATAS story involving a label buy out very similar to the one descirbed in the story. I wish I could share more details on that, but I can't.

12:34 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

so in the end, the information i had was that this band was going to be signed in connection with a buy out that was quite similar to the one that actually happened a couple weeks before.

The other bloggers and the usual anon haters acted like we were insane for thinking such a thing was even possible (despite how clear we made it that the info on the deal was coming only from the band), and it turns out that it is very possible.

12:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i still dont see how the deals are all that similar. youre not comparing apples to apples there. investing in a label, even w/ a great split like that, is a lot different than giving an artist a ridiculous nonrecoupable deal. the label can continue to sign other potentially lucrative artists and release them (btw- i personally think that DL's logic that freak folk is potentially as marketable as hip hop is flawed, but here nor there) whereas your one unproven artist can do a josh pearson and go off the deep end.

but if your label buyout deal is what i think it could be, it might make more sense, but since you have to keep that confidential, all youre doing is calling us idiots for drawing a natural conclusion.


12:44 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you should seriously drop this. at this point it doesn't matter who is wrong or right. what matters is the fact that you feel the need to keep bringing this shit up. take this whole thing as a loss (whether you think so or not) and just move on.


12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder what Oprah is doing right now?

12:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys missed one big point:

"Distribution deals" are not the same as a "record deal."

It doesn't mean an album or label is getting bought, it just means Clout gets to share a cardboard box with Sum 41 and Enrique Iglesias.

That way EMI saves some money on shipping costs and Clout gets shelf space at Best Buy.

Lindsay - 2
WSJR - 0

Time to shut up and take your loss like a man.

12:50 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

I didn't call you an idiot... I asked if you were stupid.

And it wasn't because you had doubts about the deal, but because the entire argument I just made was already stated in this post. Is it an exact analogy? No. But does it detract from the argument that a deal like this just couldn't ever happen? Yes.

And it was never stated that the deal was nonrecoupable: it was simply stated that the deal was comprised of a sign on bonus and an investment in the group, which could mean a lot of things. I didn't go into specifics due to confidentiality issue AND the fact that I wasn't sure I knew enough about the specifics to say anything else.

12:55 PM  
Blogger amandacobra said...

my question is: why such hostility? if you reread my comments, i NEVER said "we shot jr should not have written this" or "you guys should do more research" etc. i said i didn't think it was likely that MATAS were getting 6 mil from EMI. in fact, i think that the reason why you were quick to throw the EMI thing in was because you were excited about something that was undiscovered and wanted to give them props. as a blog should do.

i also never attacked the guys in the group or the festival because the more i found out the more sorry i felt for naive kids believing they were getting a big money deal and having that world come crashing down around them.

i guess the only thing that bothers me is this kind of sends a message that discussion and dissenting opinions are not welcome around here. i say that because even when slings and arrows were being thrown at me for "pretending i knew about the music buisness", i didn't take it personally. i thought it was a lively debate. and obviously one that's still got legs.

1:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I didn't call you an idiot... I asked if you were stupid."

Now that's good stuff right there.

1:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good Gaaaaawd this is getting tedious. WSJR got duped by a band of douchebags and we had all forgotten it by now but you continue to drag it up with incessantly long posts... so now I will never forget. And I will always hate you.

1:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what really irks me is that you continue to associate the attitude of the anonymous jackass comments with lindsay graham.

the fact of the matter is that lindsay raised legitimate concerns, and made reasonable and rational arguments that pan out. i'd even go so far as to say they were helpful - those arguments helped spur on the other members of MATAS to pull the blinders off their own eyes. and yet, you feel compelled to scratch back at him here for god knows what reason (insecurity?).

look, if lindsay wanted to fuck with your blog, he would've done that. he could've simply outed your identity, called you silly names, or re-recorded all your shitty mono mixes in stereo (oops - maybe your conspiracy theory IS onto something).

he didn't call you out, though - he just called BS on MATAS's far fetched story.

apparently, the moral to the story is: post anonymously, and sling as much shit as you can - otherwise, SR might lash out at you!


1:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

weshotjr IS matthew!!!


1:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lindsay is Stonedranger is Matthew.


1:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chocolate raaaaaainnn.

1:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a clip from the press conference where a dude named Jessie (Apparently in charge of "Urban" marketing for EMI) talks about the ins and outs of this shit. Sort of. Google is your friend.


1:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok fine, asking us if we're stupid for drawing a natural conclusion. and actually you didnt even do that, you asked if i had read the post. fact is, you got duped, regardless of how feasible the deal might be. now youre trying to justify being duped, and when people call you out on your bullshit here, youre getting pissy and hostile. ive always loved this blog and loved the snark, but youre just dishing it out and you cant take it. could the deal have existed? sure, anythings possible. but when you guys posted it everyones bullshit detector went off. and it turned out, in fact, to be bullshit. and you seem to be having problems dealing w/ that, and instead are trying to justify your lack of said bullshit detector in this case.

i still dont care, i dont have any hostility toward the blog, the writers, etc, and i still take everything i read here at face value. this situation was an aberration, and the guy apparently fooled a lot of people into thinking he had his shit together, not just you guys.


1:18 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

1224: I know we dish shit out to people all the time, and we also take it as much as anyone else I can think of. But taking it doesn't mean just sitting there and not saying anything. we're trying to explain why I posted what I did while lashing back at a couple people who appear to have a bone to pick with us. Trust me, if we were overly sensitive to criticism, we would have shut this blog down a year ago or more.

Providing accurate information and doing an overall good job is very important to us, and when people start calling our credibility into question, we take it seriously. Did I believe MATAS? Yes. Would it have been more prudent to find out more? Probably. But I wanted to get the story out and I tried to add as much as possible to indicate the source of our information. So feel free to criticize us or anyone else on here as much as you want, but we're also going to fight back when we feel like it. I don't know who you are and I don't think you know who I am, so of course our exchange isn't personal.

Amanda: If we wanted to shut out dissent here, there would be a pretty easy way to do it: erase comments, not allow anon comments, or not allow comments at all. Of course we like lively debate and discussion.... we were simply joining in on that. Do we get defensive sometimes? sure. do we get mean? of course. Do people get that way with us? All the time.

Your comments rubbed me the wrong way and I said so. That's that. You're free to say whatever you want on here to us at any time, and that will never change. And it's nothing personal.

1:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

did anyone call up erv from idol records and ask how much his distro deal with universal is worth?

1:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah. He said it was like seven bucks.

1:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

from 1255: "And it was never stated that the deal was nonrecoupable: it was simply stated that the deal was comprised of a sign on bonus and an investment in the group..."

from the original SR posting: "And furthermore, according to Isbell, the $6 million figure is not some major label recoupable advance that will keep the band in a hole forever, but more of a sign on bonus and an investment in the group's development."

now we're just mincing words.


1:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good point 1:32.

I have a feeling Erv would inform Stoney and DL that distribution deals aren't "getting signed."

Clout, Idol, Undeniable, Summer Break... they all have distribution deals. There's no other way to get your product into stores, other than consignment.

Take it like a man.

1:47 PM  
Blogger Lindsay said...


I think this whole thing can be boiled down to one misinterpretation:

I said, "I don't believe them."

You heard, "I don't believe you."

2:00 PM  
Blogger Defensive Listening said...

"Good point 1:32.

I have a feeling Erv would inform Stoney and DL that distribution deals aren't "getting signed."

Clout, Idol, Undeniable, Summer Break... they all have distribution deals. There's no other way to get your product into stores, other than consignment.

Take it like a man."

I know the difference between a distribution deal and getting signed, thank you. I don't need Mr. Karwelis to explain it to me. Let's not involve any more well-meaning industry experts in this. My point was that off-the-wall stock market logic was used to explain why a failing company (EMI) would invest in a Dallas area musician, group of musicians, record label etc. And then I found out that EMI did just that. If you think that there is no money involved in distribution, then I don't know what to tell you. You can't buy a new house with it, but a company is investing in your product in ways that would be almost impossible for a small label. Did you even read the linked article?

2:04 PM  
Anonymous lee hazelwoods manager said...

wow. way to miss the point of all of this.

that band sucks. and you guys are just giving their lying asses unjust publicity.

i bet their myspace has like a bajillion hits now.

can we please talk about lee hazelwood now?

2:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They help you get product in the stores, and you pay them for it. From sales.

So Clout, in the end, is losing money.

Crystal Clear, Universal, Carrot Top, EMI, ADI... They all distribute records for a percentage.

None of them give away free money to develop artists. That's not what distribution is about.

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I thought this was a good piece, although I do think the subject should be dropped from this point on. I think that there are tons of creative bands with integrity in DFW/Texas, and it would be nice if We Shot JR (which I love by the way) would get back to writing about hard working, honest groups with something to contribute.

-Paul Overbey

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

DL said: "My point was that off-the-wall stock market logic was used to explain why a failing company (EMI) would invest in a Dallas area musician, group of musicians, record label etc."

you're either misinterpreting or purposefully skewing things out of defensiveness, DL.

no one was claiming that EMI wouldn't invest in a Dallas area musician, group of musicians, or record label. they were claiming that EMI wouldn't invest $6M (especially not without contractual agreements to recoup) on an obscure dallas act.

your insistence of "See - it could've been true!" only serves to highlight the reason that there was such an initial outcry in the first place.


2:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EMI didn't invest in anyone. Hip Hop or otherwise.

Distribution is just about mailing shit.

If some gangstas want to act like they're signed... who gives a fuck?

I could've mailed their CDs to Target.

2:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jesus, you guys are still commenting on this?

your readers called you out on the MATAS b.s., and WERE RIGHT - irregardless of their intentions, and now (i guess) weshotjr is trying to "prove" that a deal like this could be possible? trying to "prove" that people that offered their thoughts on weshotjr's bullshit were possibly wrong? why? so you four can feel better about yourselfs? boo-hoo! blog me a fucking river!

stay focused on the purpose of the site, weshotjr. aren't you guys a music blog? could of sworn that, but now it just seems like a name calling teen chat room where everyone comments about how right they are even though they dont really know shit and can't back it up. on the internet, all your words are empty. please, post something about music/bands/albums/anything that fucking matters, something that you fucking know about, and not this fucking MATAS bullshit.

mistakes happen, deal with it.

2:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"blog me a fucking river!"

that's a keeper.


3:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where were you when MATAS WSJR OMG?

I think it's okay that WSJR did some digging and found out that, while MATAS might be douchturds, this kind of shit happens.

3:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you fuckers write too damn much.

if there is any "aversion" to big labels doing anything with dallas bands, it's because they all suck real bad. this city is full of label/business connections, and it says a lot about the suckage level when these business folks won't help out their friends.

3:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MATAS sucks.
pee pee spree sucks.
st vincent sucks.
paper chase sucks.
midlake sucks.
theater fire sucks.
ghosthustler more or less sucks.

this town is perpetually 5 years behind whatever's going on. you ever notice how dallas artists can get their shit into commericals but not on the radio? that's because the scene is so behind, the only people who will pay them are advertising folks who are at that point looking exploit an already tired sound.

reality check blog, bitches.

3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

salim nourallah sucks too.

have a nice day.

3:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, 3:15... I'll bite.

Who doesn't suck in North Texas?

3:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, 3:08, this kind of shit does not happen. Ever. Or as someone pointed out, not unless your last name is McCartney.

The Clout distro deal could not be more substantially un-fucking-similar to a $6 Mil recording contract.

The apparent point: the MATAS deal, while bullshit, is not ubelievable because look, something completely different just happenned, and it involved EMI. That is embarrasingly stupid.

Plus, a 75/25 split is pretty standard, and a typical advance is in the four-figure range. And of course you keep your masters in a distro deal.

And a distro deal is somehow an investment in Clout? What? Its an investment in EMI, in order to make easy money off some other schmuck's records.

This post just misses on so many levels that it really just reveals how unsophisticated these people are.

3:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that's why i am soooooooooooo getting the fuck out of here after graduation....

i can't believe i'm even commenting on a blog where some dipshit like this "amanda utah" has any cred. basketball is for morons.....

3:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"that's why i am soooooooooooo getting the fuck out of here after graduation...."

I don't even... I mean there's just so much... Um... Okay.

3:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What Bands/ scenes/ city's are not behind? I don't think its that dDFW bands are behind I just think they are lazy. I swear it has something to do with the SHIT weather here.

3:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that's why i am soooooooooooo getting the fuck out of here after graduation...."

We're all gonna miss you, Champ. Maybe, if your grades are good, your parents will let you move back in with them.

3:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

where are the good BANDS!!!!!!!!! please tell meeeeeeee ---what are they called?

3:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to see a Futuristic band!!!!! where do i move?

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you don't like anything from this area. Why are you reading a local music blog?

Sounds like someone could use a little more college...

3:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think the reason why WSJR touched on the MATAS subject again is because they get a lot of attention for it--its a gift that keeps giving--look i am helping!!!!

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that "Freak Folk" is going to dominate the music media soon --very very soon --and Rap is just going to fade away cause it makes too much money

3:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my 2 cents...

cliff notes..

4:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are good bands here ahead of the current trends. You just have to look.

4:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was about to point out that nobody referenced the Observer blog item because nobody considers their music editor to be a credible source, but then I saw that Wilonsky wrote it. And he just posted another music item that the music editor couldn't be bothered to write (big surprise, it's about a Poly Spree member's solo project.). What the hell does their music editor do, anyway?

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have seen the future!! Bands in ten years will begin using synthesizers and heavy chorus effects on their guitars!! They will perform amidst smoke and fog and will have their own lights!! oh wait... Black Tie is already doing that... dammit.

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


4:17 PM  
Anonymous Jonana Widner said...

Wanz Dover just got signed to Epic - $4 Mil deal!! I am now moving back to Tucson w/ my 13 year old philipino boyfriend

4:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man.....where's Brain from Bellafonte when we need him? No one has kicked that idiot in the balls in some time. Brings a tear to my eye.

4:27 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

Thankfully Bri guy moved to New York, where I'm sure Belafonte is going to go over really well with a manhattan audience that has probably never heard the sound of a crybaby ripping off the five shittiest radiohead songs over and over.

and i can't believe i fell for that rick roll earlier.

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

probably shouldn't worry about the business side of the music industry and just post and comment about the music side of the music industry.

4:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I can't believe i fell for that rick roll earlier."

I think that the two times I've been rolled by WSJR have been among the best Rolls I've ever seen.

4:43 PM  
Blogger doorbells said...

Guess what? This blog can do whatever the fuck it wants to, without your anonymous permission. And I bet you'll still read it anyway.

So everyone please stop acting like you actually like D.Construction.

4:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

man. i really like you guys that run this site. but jesus. this is fucking lame. seriously.
is this just theatrics to get people in an uproar over your blog? i don't know. i mean you act like it's not all sarcastic but come on! enough is enough. nobody gives a shit. ya'll are acting like 'the anons' immaturity and bullshit on this issue. give it up.
1. MATAS sucks.
2. Dconstruction is a douche but he was still not at all in the wrong
3. your blog is still awesome
4. don't ever bring this shit up again.

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

couldn't the energy WASTED on this post been a cool write up over a cool musical group or something like that. i know it is somewhat relative to local stuff buuuut not really. it's more about the same old MATAS shit. yadda yadda yadda.

6:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

this blog has turned ridiculous!

What about Lee Hazelwood... oh wait I forgot you guys like the blog hits but hate your readers?

...turn on the hate machine...

7:03 PM  
Anonymous elephant 7 said...


7:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think because of the fact that so many people on here think they know what they're talking about and have egos the size of god the essentially same comment has been posted over and over again because everyone wants to proove to the dumbasses around them that they're smarter than each other in their lame contradictiory bullshit "why are we still talking about MATAS (*whining voice*)" -- when really WHY THE FUCK would you say that in a comment on a blog about MATAS -- SHUT THE FUCK UP, seriously.

and why the pathetic ridicule on this band? firstly ut has became quite evident that MATAS did not fathom up this load of potential bullshit MATTHEW did -- so why misrepresnt you self by pointlessly attacking the collective members of the band when they are obviously ass pissed off and confused as you lame ass high and mighty duechbags are!?

seriously, grow some balls and quit attacking everything fucking name associated with this shit. its immature and mainly just annoying, lame, and pathetic.

its like every dumbass 3rd grade bully who grew up to be a retarded failed musician is commenting on this blog where the WSJR guys are just trying to make a point that you ARE ALL pointlessly attacking a band in which a deal and or the prospect of a deal in this magnitude IS COMPLETELY possible.

so, as your mothers might say "if you dont have anything nice, then for gods sake dont say anything at all"

just my opinion of course...

8:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can that be your opinion when you just made fun of bullies, retarded people and failed musicians? Dude, you need some diversity training, like, stat.

9:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you need to read up on sarcasm 101 is my response to that

11:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Captain Ahab Friday @ SHQ

Spiteful Blawggerz not allowed

11:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


11:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just found this on the magilum myspace -- why is everyone bitching about these guys? this is pretty fucking rad in my thoughts...

August 18th, 2007 12:00pm - 2:00am
J&J's Pizza, Banter, & Denton Courthouse



(118 W Oak St Denton, TX 76201 (940) 382-7769)

peter and the wolf 1:00AM -2:00AM
brothers and sisters 12:00AM - 12:40AM
the theater fire 10:00PM - 11:40PM
jana hunter 9:00PM - 9:40PM
johnny lloyd rollins 8PM - 8:40PM
bill baird and silent sunset 7:00PM - 7:40PM
listen listen - 6:00 - 6:40
the black 5:00PM - 5:40 PM
sarah jaffe 4:00PM - 4:40PM
eaton lake tonics 3:00PM - 3:40PM
febrifuge 2:00PM - 2:40PM
ben flemming 1:00PM - 1:40PM
my son the astronaut 12:00PM - 12:40PM


dust congress 12:40AM - 1:00AM
a toothless life 11:40PM - 12:00AM
new science projects 10:40PM - 11:00PM
redbear 9:40PM - 10:00PM
matthew and the arrogant sea 8:40PM - 9:00PM
boogdish 7:40PM - 8:00PM
the spirit of space 6:40PM - 7:00PM
the brandon harrod orchestra 5:40PM - 6:00PM
super famicom 4:40PM -5:00PM
telegraph canyon 3:40PM - 4:00PM
videophonic 2:40PM - 3:00PM
sparlin jessels 1:40PM - 2:00PM


ryan thomas becker 7:30PM - 8:00PM
doug burr 6:30PM - 7:00PM
george neal 5:30PM - 6:00PM
sabra laval 4:30PM - 5:00PM
cory derden 3:30PM - 4:00PM
chris garver 2:30PM - 3:00PM
druggist 1:30PM - 2:00PM


chica y los gatos 7:00PM - 7:30PM
ostrich tuning 6:00PM - 6:30PM
the naptime shake 5:00PM - 5:30PM
whiskey folk ramblers 4:00PM - 4:30PM
daniel folmer 3:00PM - 3:30PM
ryan gilbert 2:00PM - 2:30PM
j. gray 1:00PM - 1:30PM

(219 W Oak St, Denton, TX 76201 (940) 565-1638)

Mike McNasty 7:30 - 8:00
paul slavens 6:30PM - 7:00PM
glen farris 5:30PM - 6:00PM
esther newell 4:30PM - 5:00PM
clint niosi 3:30PM - 4:00PM
tex winters 2:30PM - 3:00PM
billy ratcliff 1:30PM - 2:00PM
désirée anastasia 1:00PM - 1:30PM
brooke opie 12:30PM - 1:00PM

12:19 AM  
Blogger doorbells said...

No shit. Go Magilum.

2:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hmm. i may have to agree.

4:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



4:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...



11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cheers to that post. It is always amazing to see how quickly the bandwagon gets popular, esp. when it involves ridiculing others.

12:32 PM  
Anonymous mononucleosis said...

Dude Lindsey is 100% PHREAK PHOLK


2:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so let me get this straight? is lindsay a man or a women, because judging by the back-and-forth-ness of it all, she sounds like a transvestite. i dont think i can hold too much stock in what a man without a penis says, or visa-versa...

11:19 PM  
Blogger Slim Slender said...

"I'm standin' on the corner feelin' Raindrops race tears down my face.
Cryin' losers' tears and knowin' that I never should have run the race."

--Lee Hazelwood

Perhaps you're right, Lee Hazelwood. Living only leads to crying and dying ... and to reading the same extension of a blog thread for days on end. I feel like crying losers' tears each time I finish the comments section. But I do it, dagnabbit! I'm a fool, but I accept it.

"I'm told I should be thankful
For ever'thing I got.
So thank you to the anons
And this blogspot, thanks a lot.
Thank you for the drivel
Killin' hours of my day.
Thank you We Shot J.R.
Helping peel the days away."

--Slim Slender feat. Lee Hazelwood's mustache and Nancy Sinatra's vicious boot.

12:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how can you not like the immortal pairing of boobs and penis?

2:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can read the "anonymous" indie label's response to this matter at www.myspace.com/bravemorningrecords

12:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am coming into this discussion a bit late, but feel that I should point out the EMI is a distribution company not a label. Everything I keep reading here confuses the two. They are very different. EMI distributes Capitol, Virgin, etc (those are labels). EMI doesnt give anyone a "record deal", they cant, they arent a label. They can give distribution deals, but these do not involve the dist. co giving the label money (although often a line of credit is opened so the dist co can initially front money for some marketing, production, manufacturing expenditures). Distribution companies TAKE money from the labels for their services, this can be anywhere from 15-30%, usually around 25%.

I really do work in the music industry and not the fake "its my side job" thing, so as far as what I've read people are right on here about this deal being unbelievable. The only point I didnt see brought up is that initially understanding that EMI would never offer someone a label deal because they arent a label would have probably solved alot of this drama much faster.

I guess the kid was lying but seems like someone wants a real reason that they should have known he was lying. Thats it. EMI doesnt offer deals to bands, only to labels, and a dist deal is not a cash exchange transaction. Its more of a "we'll front you some money at first and take the rest out of the back end because you are going to end up owing us"

Also EMI is on a travel, hiring and expense freeze right now, have been for the last 2 months. If a deal like clout was already in the works they could push it through but they arent looking to spend anything right now. Also, again, they would not spend money on label deals because they arent a label.

7:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy crap, this morning glory records think they are little moguls too ...


10:34 PM  
Anonymous Bryce Isbell said...

has it not been said "six million" fucking times that its not "us" its Matthew Gray who I have obviously lost all respect for through all this ridiculous bullshit...so please pay attention to the facts or at least the ones known. I have nothing to do with that band any longer therefore "us" is "him". Thanks.

4:50 PM  
Blogger Lindsay said...

This is neither a rebuttal nor an attempt to extend the argument. No one needs that. But, this is an interesting article on the state of the industry with mention of EMI, in particular.

For those who care:

Off the Record

9:49 AM  

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