It List: Thursday 1/25/07
Cosmic Catnip/DJ DR Nay Nay (Rubber Gloves)
It's a dance party at Rubber Gloves tonight that starts with the record-spinning debut of Nate from Warren Jackson Hearne's band. He'll be playing everything from Annie to The Tom Tom Club. Cosmic Catnip is the newest project from Shane English formerly of The Undoing of David Wright and currently of Chief Death Rage. If Chief Death Rage took the riffier aspects of The Undoing to a different level, then Cosmic Catnap takes the electronic aspects to an equal extreme. The two song samples on their page actually made me smile the duration of my listen. That's saying a lot considering I spend most of my time sampling songs on Myspace pages with a look that's an unhealthy mix between confusion and disgust. You can always trust Shane's taste, whether he's writing Iommi inspired sludge or making Pauly Shore references over dance beats. Did you catch those influences on Cosmic Catnap's profile? They're like all totally OOP!
Lost Generation with Wanz Dover (Fallout Lounge)
From Wanz himself:
"Tonight we are gonna show the videos from The Liars' "Drums Not Dead". Gabriel is joining me on the decks. Should be a lot of fun. Last wek we had to delay the Can Movie until after the Mavs game. This week we will play The Liars' stuff whenever it seems like a good time to throw it on. Cheers!!!"
DJ G (Hailey's)
Salim Nourallah/Johnny Lloyd Rollins/Gazelles (Ellum: Onstage)
All I really want to say about this show is that I had a hard time describing Johnny Lloyd Rollins' music until I read this rather modest description of what he's all about in The Observer:
"I don't sing badly enough, I'm not ugly enough, and I don't have a beard,"
Well...thanks for clearing that up.
It's a dance party at Rubber Gloves tonight that starts with the record-spinning debut of Nate from Warren Jackson Hearne's band. He'll be playing everything from Annie to The Tom Tom Club. Cosmic Catnip is the newest project from Shane English formerly of The Undoing of David Wright and currently of Chief Death Rage. If Chief Death Rage took the riffier aspects of The Undoing to a different level, then Cosmic Catnap takes the electronic aspects to an equal extreme. The two song samples on their page actually made me smile the duration of my listen. That's saying a lot considering I spend most of my time sampling songs on Myspace pages with a look that's an unhealthy mix between confusion and disgust. You can always trust Shane's taste, whether he's writing Iommi inspired sludge or making Pauly Shore references over dance beats. Did you catch those influences on Cosmic Catnap's profile? They're like all totally OOP!
Lost Generation with Wanz Dover (Fallout Lounge)
From Wanz himself:
"Tonight we are gonna show the videos from The Liars' "Drums Not Dead". Gabriel is joining me on the decks. Should be a lot of fun. Last wek we had to delay the Can Movie until after the Mavs game. This week we will play The Liars' stuff whenever it seems like a good time to throw it on. Cheers!!!"
DJ G (Hailey's)
Salim Nourallah/Johnny Lloyd Rollins/Gazelles (Ellum: Onstage)
All I really want to say about this show is that I had a hard time describing Johnny Lloyd Rollins' music until I read this rather modest description of what he's all about in The Observer:
"I don't sing badly enough, I'm not ugly enough, and I don't have a beard,"
Well...thanks for clearing that up.
posted by Defensive Listening at 2:26 PM
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$4.50 Enchilada Plates at Monica's Aca y Alla
one of the only reason to go to Deep Ellum
top bunk again.
I like anonymuskrats it list better than defensives.
Monica's! I just remembered trying to remember the name of that place like a few months ago. now i know.
that is kind of a tough choice between the Can movie and the Mavs....
Current Leaves is playing Doublewide tomorrow night. Right?
I might be dying soon, so you guys I guess you hate me, I'll be around for the weekend at home if you want to email me and say goodbye and it is all we shotjrs fault. but I do have friends here so, wish me well and I dont know what to say to you guys, have a good life
that was just a joke, I changed my mind
um, ok.
it's too late to change your mind now.
Yeah- do everyone a favor.
Man, ranger, you really did it this time.
Yo, WSJR dudes/chicas...
I have sent you a myspace message on the Maybe Distressing Keg Situation.
Gonna be a good night!
Farah. Please stop posting. You are asking for ridicule. Just be quiet and let bpeople enjoy your music. You are only making enemies and trouble for yourself doing this.
the farah enchilada plate is covered with a beautiful glaze of honey taken from the blley of a three toad sloth just after injestion. i never tried it before cause it's too expensive.
let the ramblers ramble and the critics burn to hell.
i judge you the most
dosh is tonight. if you pay for me, i will give you a ride and love. i need a little gas money too. and smoke is reguarly coming out of the hood of my car now. also, i don't really go anywhere without my guide, and she is as poor as i am, so if you could just lend me a coupld of bucks there, that would be acceptable.
keg situation is resolved.
You know, the trolls on here that get so nasty, I can tolerate. I mean, they are so obvious. But that shit up there? Where someone is trying to be mysterious, and you can tell they think that they are so with it and smart and insightful, and still they go anon, lik they think they are some wise unknown source of wisdom... Man, I wanna slit their throats. Cryptic bullshit so fake and false. If someone is bagging on Wanz or some shit, at least you know that ONE of them is a douche. It's worth the time to type something hateful if it makes you feel better, it really is. Wanz isn't bothered by it, the anaon gets his jollies, everyone wins... But that cryptic artfag shit, and you just KNOW it's some college freshman idiot or tight sweater wearing knowitall... MAN.
I would go to
Denton tonight if
Wanz wasn't playing.
Yes...Current Leaves at DW tonight. they play first at around 10:30 and then Cartright and 100 Damned Guns. $5 as usual.
I think the GuTTerTH folks might be videtaping tonight. They have the show listed on their website, but I'm not sure if that means they are taping, or just advertising.
This is gonna be fun! Haven't seen Treewave in forever!
Anyone see Salim Nourallah/Johnny Lloyd Rollins/Gazelles at Ellum: Onstage last night?
Any reviews of the venue? Of the bands?
2 less 'idiots'.
11:47, hey dude, did ya like the trolls show in yer panties???
Ellum: Onstage aka preaching the gospel to a lost generation. Is anyone else bothered that it's run by a church? Tax breaks & pass the offering plate.
yes, very bothered as a matter of fact.
oh my god. that life in deep ellum website is terrifying. "the gathering" on sundays at 11 am. i'm all for freedom of religion but this business of making a cool new jesus that the indie kids will get down with is scary.
whats even worse is that the Dallas music establishment is just going along with it. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures or something like that.
yeah i was wondering why the whole "it's a church" thing is the part that no one is allowed to talk about. just because we're supposedly so desperate for a venue that we're willing to pretend like the lack of bar and the flyleaf cds for sale in the corner aren't weird. it's weird. i like coffee in the mornings. i like rock at night. fact.
Just curious.....why would it matter at all who runs it? Why would anyone be concerned that it was headed by a church?
Seems to me that a venue is a venue....you either like the place or you don't....and the owner is pretty secondary to the physical environment and the talent booked there.
I can see a million reasons why some wouldn't like it....no bar, (probably) no smoking, their favorite band doesn't play there, their least favorite band does....but that still really doesn't have anything to do with it being owned by a church.
I think the actual ownership isn't what "scares" some of you - it's the talent booking/scene that they're trying to cultivate there. It's not in line with your aesthetic. Which is fine....
It's because no ones cares about music anymore they care about the superficial things that surround it. For instance, if the right people go there and they are wearing the right clothes and have the right haircuts then that is what determines whether or not someone likes the venue.
I wouldn't exactly call a religious organization using a music venue to push their belief system a "superficial" concern.
Are you afraid that you'll accidentally catch a case of the Jesuses that you can't wash off?
I'm afraid that the money that I contribute by paying for admission or a coffee or bag of jiffy pop or whatever will be going directly into the pockets of a church that uses that money to tell young kids who want to go see a show to join them at the "gathering" on Sunday where they'll learn that gay people are bad and they need to "saved" or they're going to hell or whatever their ultimate message is. That's all. Not really superficial, more straightforward and discomforting.
AMEN!
Should we have an open book policy then for all venues owners so you can see where their money is going and then judge which ones you want to support based on your support for said decisions?
If another venue owner is using his money to buy a lot of coke or pay for a big porn habit....while much more of a rock & roll cliche, of course....is that something you can support?
"Support...support"...must edit before publishing next time...
For what it's worth...I have no association to the venue...and don't really have an interest in any of the shows on their calendar.
It's just seems fairly uneducated to see people get up on their moral high horses when it comes to religion strictly because it's religion...and not because it's an inherently bad thing.
Say it does support their church - what's inherently wrong with that? What if a venue owner donates to the Republican party to get a tax break - and you're a staunch Democrat. Do you stop going to that venue?
Is there a difference?
i agree that you never know what your money is going towards when you pay to enter a venue. i don't think that anyone here is attacking this venue because it's "religious". i think it's that this particular denomination or congregation is trying to be sly. if their venue had a big cross on the roof and a pipe organ and sang hymns and pavement were playing a big reunion show there, i'm the first in line. it's not about scenesters being allergic to religion. it's just this wave of plano emo-evangelicals that i don't feel right about supporting. don't be fooled by the dashboard tshirt or smudged eyeliner, they're pretty right wing still.
oh and who doesn't have a porn habit?
No, there isn't really a difference, and if I did know of a club owner doing that, I would think twice about ever supporting that venue as well. Thats just the way I am. I'm not trying to tell everyone else what to do, and I really don't care if other people go there or not.
I just see the way these Christian groups try to use the "cool" factor to convert young people into followers of a belief system that promotes so much hatred and ideologically driven ignorance in this country, and I find it shameful that some of the news organizations around here haven't even bothered to dig below the surface to find out who these people are and what they intend to do with their venue. If the Observer, for example, had just left it alone and not mentioned it, that would be fine. But they wrote a whole article (and have made other mentions of the venue) without ever adressing these issues. Hmm... I wonder why? Could it be that this new venue is a great source of advertising revenue for the paper?
That is really all I was trying to point out. Maybe we'll find that the owners of this place are decent people that want to do something good for the community, and this whole discussion will be rendered pointless. But the fact that no one has bothered to ask the right questions is a real shame. I might even try to start asking some questions myself.
and I really like this discussion... lets try to keep it going.
i posted anon 11:48 PM, 5:41PM and 10:47 PM but blogger wasn't letting me login.
i am really interested in this discussion mostly because i cannot fathom that i (and stonedranger) would be the only two people in the city who are interested in learning a little more information about the venue and the folks behind it. a church opens a music venue in deep ellum with lots of money invested and all press neglects to mention it's affilated with (or actually is) a church while they're tripping over themselves to write a story about it.
this is in no way a slam on anyone's religion. i have just seen some pretty nasty situations where these "new and cool" churches basically just bait and switch. they draw kids in with a few screamo bands and a promise of a sense of belonging to a community. only problem is that (again, this is only based on what i've seen) once they get them in there, the evangelicalism and right-of-everything stance is just as bad as it has always been.
which is why someone needs to ask some more questions. if this is indeed a charismatic "are you saved?" place, i would like to know. if it's just some people who got some money together and wanted to build a place where they can have church and book shows, cool deal. and yes, while it may be played out to wear stuff like this on your sleeve it does matter to me. i don't have a lot of money so i like to kinda know where it's going if i'm donating to a religious organization. if nothing else, do i get a write off?
I agree 100%. I'm going to do some investigating and see what I can find.
stonedranger said...
whats even worse is that the Dallas music establishment is just going along with it. I guess desperate times call for desperate measures or something like that.
8:46 PM
schmancy says:
I don't particularly think so...see, I dont' think a lot of venues or much of deep ellum have a problem with it like I don't (living there, and having a small business plan I'm working on...there)...in fact, my out look on it is kind of based on how The Door has affected deep ellum. It's actually a pretty good thing-and kinda brilliant. here's why, in terms of The Door.
1. both venues are so far on the edge of deep ellum that they don't really get involved or get in the way of the activity down there. shoot, I might even dare suggest they're really not a part of deep ellum as much as ellum itself...
schmancy says:
2. the kids that get involved in these venues PAY. they pay for cover, they pay for merch, they pay for refreshments. shit, did you know the fucking door sells PIZZA? that's a teenagers six pack in triangle shape, c'mon!
schmancy says:
3. not only that, they come to shows early to eat at local dining spots, they shop the shops, and they go to the shows. Going downtown for a show is an allday event for them. And whether they're paying anything or not, it's creating a locality loyalty. i'm a product of that. I used to come down in the middle of the day and eat at metro and read a book when I was in high school, because to me, it was special and mine, and I felt so much more big city. Well shit, look at me know, an over grown 28 year old kid living in deep ellum, frequenting it's restaurants, drinking it's booze, and watching it's shows as a result, eh?
schmancy says:
1030pm, you have excellent points.
I think it's just a sensitive subject to so many because they grew up in the baptist bible belt.
for those of you who have had such a whiplash reaction to hearing that there are church affiliations, seriously, look back in your past...then stop, and look into the reality of it.
a church has all the money to lose to put into a start of the art venue. they have the opportunity to do so, and they choose to do it in deep ellum rather than in FRISCO, right? the reality of it, is that I bet a place like ellum onstage would actually be able to sustain itself better in frisco because of all the money put into it. The Door, at least, is done in the fashion of deep ellum and is consistent with it's neighbors (an actual BIG DEAL in deep ellum with the new SUP's)...
ellum onstage doesn't break the SUP rules, becuase it stays in the vein of live music, etc, but it's so over produced, that I can only imagine that they won't really be able to support that kind of high dollar place....
and when it falls under, I'll be waiting at the door like those annoying mervyn's commercials going, "open open open" on the first day of their garage sale so I can buy up the chi chi equipment for my own cafe/bar/creperie/chinese medicine pharmacy. harrumpf!
schmancy says:
let me also say that I'm totally not down with ellum onstage, I think it's glossy and promises too much, I don't like their booking, and I don't like being around kids when I really want to drink and smoke (something hard not to do around live music, eh?)
but it's obvious that the joint has a bent, and it's particularly easy for us all not to go there...cos quite frankly, we really don't have a place there amongst children. we have our own venues for big kids. there's just no question about deciding not to go there, unless you're some kind of pedophile? so, don't get too torn up about it. I think that's why deep ellum, as a whole, hasn't really cared about it.
but really, I don't have ANY opinions about that. ;D
daggum. I kill every thread. or show up too late....hpmf!
nancy
So, I work at Life in Deep Ellum and live in Deep Ellum. You have all brought up some valid questions that I am sure you would like answered. i would be glad to answer them so...shoot.
Boy, we sure are scared of those Christians and all their intolerant, evangelical, narrow minded, uneducated world view and community perspective. Never mind that on the other side of the fence, no one has dared step into the place to see a fantastic art gallery, Salim and Johnny sounding better than ever, coffee that is touted as some of the best in the Country by touring acts, and a place that decided it would be a good thing to invest 3 million into the community of Deep Ellum and build a venue that isn't a total shit hole. I would have to say that before you paint them into your ideological, pin headed corner, that you actually take a step into the place and find out for yourself. You might find a collection of people who hate the culture of Christianity, so that is why they wanted to stay away from Frisco. You might find a facility built by THE church that isn’t A church, but a community cultural center for Deep Ellum rather than a gleaming white structure up on the hill that serves nothing more than the congregants on Sunday morning. Maybe you will see the festival that they are hosting and the collection of bands therein, and realize that if you don't like any of those bands, then your musical taste just sucks ass. Or maybe you can just stay ignorant and evangelize everyone else to your cause that all Christians are pigs and you are always right. It’s funny that much of this thread embodies what so many people bitch about when it involves the Church, but hey, not to worry. You just sit at your computer and voice your opinion. Ellum:ONSTAGE will actually try and make a difference. They might not succeed, but at least they’re trying.
By the way, the Observer did their due diligence to dig up dirt. They wanted a negative angle to present, and no one who was actually educated had a single negative thing to say about the cultural center. Wow, they should have called these informed individuals on this thread.
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