Monday, July 17, 2006

Commune-icable: Brightblack Morning Light (By Defensive Listening)

Are hippies cool in indie rock now? Is commune living the latest fad? Have things gone so full circle that we can't even tell an ironic hippie from a sincere one, much like the mysterious popularity of mustaches and mullets and whether someone is a hipster or a pool cleaner? Does the difference even matter? Judging by the number of "indie" rock's usual suspects that played the jam band purgatory known as Coachella this year, the line is becoming increasingly blurred. Truthfully, gutterpunks are probably the real modern hippies, even though they'd be loathe to admit it. I can understand adopting some of the sounds of the Canterbury scene, the Holy Modal Rounders, or truly freaked out ideas from maybe the Red Krayola when they were still a Houston band, but what made a lot of those acts great is that they strayed from the obvious aspects of sixties and seventies culture or mutated them into something original. Walking around barefoot with the "feelin'groovy" attitude that modern flower children like Devendra Barnhart give off is not really for me. It just isn't practical to walk around your average venue in sandals, much less with your bare feet. Rock clubs usually have a really unique flooring material composed of concrete and broken glass with an alcohol, vomit and urine varnish. Not exactly the equivalent of running your naked toes and heels over the lush, salad-like environment of Northern California... but whatever makes you happy. I saw a lot of happy people at the Brightblack Morning Light show on Thursday night at Dan's Silver Leaf.

Mariee Sioux opened the show with a set of melodic folk-influenced songs. The songs meandered into so many different parts that I sometimes didn't know if she'd moved on to the next song. I can respect that kind of complexity for primarily acoustic songwriter fare, but I thought that some of her more successful moments were when she'd repeat the same vocal phrase ten times in a row or more. The crowd was extremely respectful while she played and there was almost complete silence while she performed. It was the kind of quiet that Chris Garver had probably hoped for at Strategies Against Beauty a couple of weeks ago, but it happens to everybody, especially the acoustic troubadour types. Mariee Sioux made a lot of obvious mistakes as far as forgetting lyrics or the next chord she was about to play. It was like that scene in Nirvana's MTV Unplugged performance where Kurt Cobain forgets that line in "Pennyroyal Tea","I-I-I-I'm o-o-on wwwarm milk and lllaxitives...". I thought it was charming and she seemed to deal with it pretty well, unlike a lot of prima donnas from the past ten years who seem to thrive on making the crowd suffer when they can't get through songs. Mariee Sioux's lyrics dealt with the everyday problems you'd encounter if it was oh, I guess about 1893. I heard a lot of mention of grizzlies and arrows, hides and bramble. These seem like fairly anachronistic issues to deal with when you also have to worry about checking your Myspace page. I thought Mariee Sioux played a decent set for the genre, but I sometimes wonder if these singer songwriters get more credit than they should for the more superficial aspects of their career, like wearing a weird dress or looking like a Charles Manson impersonator. Sometimes that's the only difference between one of them and Jack Johnson or Melissa Etheridge.

Earlier I mentioned how gutter punks might be the new hippies, which brings me to Daniel Higgs. I wouldn't call Daniel Higgs a gutter punk, but he certainly has had a long life in punk rock. His resume includes various projects spanning all the way back to the early eighties, most notably in Reagan era Baltimore punk band Reptile House and later in the widely acclaimed Lungfish, who were one of Dischord Records most beloved groups. I hadn't heard anything about his recent solo work and his set came as quite a surprise, and a particularly jarring one after the sedate performance by Sioux. Overall, Daniel Higgs played with an Eastern feel and often played his guitar as if it was a sitar, whether he meant to or not. When Higgs started, I don't think the sound guy was even aware that the performance had begun, since his set was bleeding over the house PA music. Higgs had an assortment of little amplifiers that looked like toys set up around a Fender Squire practice amp, which was the largest piece of amplification he used. He played with the knobs on the toy amps, creating a shrill array of feedback and pulsating drilling noise. The catalyst that supplied the sound was an electric-acoustic guitar, which are notorious for feedback even without being fed through an array of distorted practice amps. Quite a while passed before Higgs began to sing, and when he did his lyrics were ominous doomsday rants. These lyrics, combined with his long grey beard and endless tattoos, gave Higgs the appearance of a crazed vagrant holding an "End is near" picket sign. And I mean that in the best possible way. He cut a really striking figure onstage.

When Brightblack Morning Light started playing, I had no idea that I would be at Dan's Silverleaf until 1:30in the morning. They played for what seemed like an eternity, which caused me to realize that I'm spoiled by most bands I see, who play for about twenty minutes. I mention this because it was evident that drawing things out is a big part of Brightblack Morning Light's philosophy concerning performance and song structure. They would repeat a three note part on the Rhodes piano and repeat it almost endlessly. And just when you'd think that the entire song was over, the repetitiveness would be shattered by an actual change in note and rhythm, and it was usually a welcome respite. The vocals were so lazy and whispered that they almost resembled two people trying to harmonize to a Jandek song. The band had two percussionists who were the most variable aspect of the band, and both avoided standard rhythms and even snare drums. The band looked like the promo glossy of almost any rock band circa 1970, and that look included but was not limited to aviator sunglasses onstage. I guess it's not that important to see what you're playing when you'll just be repeating the first part of a blues progression for fifteen minutes. It's hard to not like the sound of a Fender Rhodes, though, isn't it? I know that part of being into Brightblack's sound is to enjoy the repetition, but I've got to be wary of a band that plays so monotonously that a dog is able to fall sleep onstage. I'm not making that up. It actually happened.

I probably would have enjoyed Brightblack Morning Light more in a smaller dose, but you know what they say about "Too much of a mediocre thing." The next day, I found myself wishing that I had been as excited about seeing Brightblack Morning Light as my parents had been about seeing Steely Dan with Michael McDonald at Nokia the night before. That's a review I wish I could post.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd rather hang out with a bunch of hippies than the black-haired standard fare at some of these local sock-hops. Charles Manson or Jarvis Cocker? You tell me who is more entertaining.

8:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charles in Charge!!!

don't forget your sandels freaks !


9:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good one, dude! Try and dig yourself out of that k-hole and learn how to spell.

9:25 AM  
Blogger Defensive Listening said...

Hey 7:25,

Have you heard that Silver Jews song about being in a k-hole? It's really funny. I'm usually pretty good about spelling. If you can point out any specific mistakes, please e-mail me at:

And I'll send one dollar to your Paypal account for every mistake you find.


10:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An off-topic query for the lot:

When will any of the "stalwarts" or "puppet masters" of the Dallas music scene every live up to any "potential" they might "have?"

That question's really aimed at Robert Jenkins, if he's lurking about. Everything's all talk with that guy. Such a smart guy, too, but, man, nothing ever happens. Nothing. It's kind of a sad, dark, drunken joke, it is.

If "Robert's dad was right," wouldn't he have lived up to the potential he so clearly has?

Move beyond the Barley. It's a holding pattern.

Carter could learn a thing or two about that as well.


10:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Defensive Listening, you're living up to your name. I was referring to the anonymous replying to the first anonymous.

10:23 AM  
Blogger wakka-wakka said...

I think there's a Fairport Convention album cover with a picture of a dog sleeping on stage while the band plays a concert. Another revived hippie trend?

10:29 AM  
Blogger Defensive Listening said...

Truth in advertising, sorry.

And it should be "Strategies OF Beauty" not "Strategies against Beauty". I must have been thinking about that Einsturzende Neubauten record which translates as "Strategies Against Architecture". I wish I was joking because that's extremely dorky of me.

10:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Yep, "What We Did on Our Holidays"... If only Dallas kids were plundering Good Records for Richard Thompson and Sandy Denny....that would mean the apocalypse.

10:34 AM  
Blogger wakka-wakka said...

And there'd be a run on violin strings and limerick books, for sure.

11:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous 8:19..... uhhhh. can you clarify exactly what you're talking about?

i don't "think" i "understand" "completely". But it's "possible" that i just didn't "read" it "correctly"


11:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Roger, 9:24.

So fuckin' true.

11:28 AM  
Blogger Zak said...

Well, I guess with the way that album sounds, I'm not surprised they were a bit boring and monotonous on stage.

I still enjoy that album though...

11:41 AM  
Blogger Defensive Listening said...

I grew up with kids who scoured record shops in Texas looking for Fairport Convention records and reading the Sandy Denny bio and that's probably why I'm so fucked up. I respect Fairport Convention but I've had to listen to them on so many long car trips that they're kind of hard for me to take.

11:52 AM  
Anonymous anon. 8:19 said...


The fact that you don't "understand" is part of the problem.

Talk is cheap. 90% of everything is doing it, trite as that may be.

Ephemeral chatter at Barley leads to mushy brains, hangovers, indolence, and lost ideas.

It seems that friendship with Rhett is a blessing, a curse, and a crutch. So much potential to do right by the scene, yet so much potential squandered squandered squandered.

That is what I mean.

Or maybe "wasted potential's" not an apropos description. Maybe one should say, "wasting time" with so many horribly delusional people, bands, and drunkards.

No wonder this scene's such a one truly "gets" why it will never go anywhere.

Barley, the people, whomever, wherever = crippling holding pattern.

One can't get any clearer than that.

11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and yet we have no last names, reference points or CLUE what you're getting at.

barley HOUSE?
rhett MILLER?

and who's Robert Jenkins..... the reason i don't know why "it'll never get anywhere" is because i don't know where you're trying to take me, let alone if the "scene" you speak of is the dallas music scene, or the microbrewed beer scene.... it is "unclear" to "say the least"

12:02 PM  
Anonymous Sunshine Butterfly said...

lame to be so coy, 10:02. everyone here knows what 8:19 is getting at.

it's clear as day:

- Dallas scene = drivel
- Rhett Miller
- Jenkins = perceived influencor

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Though I agree with what I think the blogger who overuses quotation marks is getting at, I see no need to be forcibly cryptic when no one knows who you are as it is. If Barley House is considered to be the pivot upon which music in Dallas rests, then that is sad. However, I don't really think that is so. Maybe if you're Slick 67 or whatever the fuck that band's name is, it is. Maybe it is if you're a frat boy moonlighting as a guitar picker, it is. The fact that you're willing to attribute it so much pull is the problem. And the statement "The fact that you don't 'understand' is part of the problem" is a needless, high falootin' dictum that defeats your purpose of trying to unite people in understanding your point about the stasis of whatever scene Dallas people have created for themselves. The "holding pattern" that you're talking about is one that is endlessly bitched about, but is something that isn't confined to a particular club, bar, much-rued watering hole...whatever. It is something that is in the mind-set of everyone who views this city as a sort of purgatory for Los Angeles, New York, or Austin. There's no need to dwell on it, it's a fact of life. Pick up your heels and come out of the shadows if it means so much to you. I don't think Rhett Miller has that much sway if you don't pay attention to him. Let's not aggrandize issues that we should really be saying "whatever" to. If all else fails, find another bar. Not too hard.

12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, "neo-folkies" wearing bearskins and beards (and playing long drawn out songs barefoot with dogs who'd rather be onstage with Leonard Cohen so they fall asleep dreaming about very modern bones not bones from 1892)



12:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These people so down on the visiting "hippies" are awful poetic in their naysaying. Guess that's what inhaling the B.O. of a stray Roller Derby chick will do to you. Deep thoughts, man.

12:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heres whats deep, not jumping on the hippie band wagon cause it's so en vogue right now and playing some music from the heart not some "this will be really weird" music. What a joke. I'm all for personal expression but is it some strange phenomenon that EVERYONE has a beard these days or did the Gillette company go out of business?

1:01 PM  
Blogger Lester Merriweather the Third said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How to be a local band 101

Collect a bunch of toys (toy instruments) and introduce them into the band.

Jump around onstage, be engaging, be ULTRA HAPPY or super moody (mope). :(

Wear the same outfits , coordinate! This is about fashion over substance after all.

Film projections of "freaky" things are recommended.

Weird, old instruments are encouraged such as accordians, bassoons, old Wurlitzers, etc.

Throwing things at the audience, not playing on the stage and playing several times a week every week are mandatory.

Go out and knock em dead kids!

1:07 PM  
Blogger Lester Merriweather the Third said...

My friend Granola Greg sayz to you "Can't we be friends??"


What a funny joke. Hee hEE!

Get it? Hippies don't shave....Gillette makes shavers....

Guys, let's book Pat Benatar a show. She makes music from the heart.

How about some Peabo Bryson for music from the soul?

1:09 PM  
Blogger Lester Merriweather the Third said...

P.S. Music is all about how you look. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I got it now. Because they have facial hair, they are trying to be SO WEIRD and they are trying to TRIP ME OUT with their WEIRDO looks. They have gotten so many people involved with their trippindicular, crazy sounds that they are taking over our nation!!!! I knew my mom and my friends from church were right when they told me those people are bad!!!

1:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no you're right lester merriweather, let's just keep with the trends and everything will be allright. it's allright. shh, shh. it's ok.

1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lester merriweather obviously has a beard

1:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hippies are a trend? You've got to be kidding. Have you been hiding under your bed and not seen people your age? Clearly you don't have any idea where you live. We're in Dallas.

1:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Denton. Magazine Land. Hippies. Who cares.

1:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wasn't aware that if you had a beard you are a "hippie." The last beards I saw were on non-descript performers of Good Records-approved shit at The Cavern each week. The last beards I saw were on people who go to see The Paper Chase.

1:21 PM  
Blogger Lester Merriweather the Third said...


I don't have a beard. I listen to Happy Hardcore.

Hey, anyone have that chick Jayme Foxx's number?

1:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

god damn the paper chase sucks

1:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let's play razor chase

1:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hippies are welcome at sock hops
no shoes allowed

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I saw some hippies at the Cavern the other week. One of them was in that band The Willowz. He had a harem of girls with him and his weirdo friend, who was carrying a confederate flag. I heard they started up a band of miscreants and are living in a filthy opium den in Red Oak, not far from the Renaissance Faire grounds in Waxahatchie. They go there at night and enact pagan rituals and eat beef jerky and play the harp. Those people are fucked up.

1:42 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

say what?

1:48 PM  
Blogger Zak said...

back o the beards discussion again... you people are obsessed.

1:51 PM  
Blogger Lester Merriweather the Third said...


can you tell me where to get those raver goggles you're wearing in your photograph? I'd like to wear some to the GOA Trance HardStep PiXIE TrAIn FracTAL Jam I'm attending at Club One this weekend.



1:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man. WSJR deserves better than this.

2:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man, every time I see a dude without a beard I get like totally mad at them because they are like fake and stuff.

2:34 PM  
Blogger Zak said...

Lester, you can get them at Wal-Mart. While there, visit the little girls section too, as you will need to get a cute pink dress with a bow for yourself. It'll look good on you, trust me. All attention-whores look good in pink.

2:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

some posts stand out more than others is all

3:06 PM  
Anonymous thebug said...

"Man. WSJR deserves better than this. "

WSJR is NOT Jesus. Cut the "deserving better" and "WSJR is above all this" crap.


3:09 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

What are you talking about? I'm better than all of you!

3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bug. Shut the fuck up. Jesus can suck a cock. Oh, wait. He would have to exist, you christian fuck.

3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smile! You're a moron Mr. suck a cock :)

3:30 PM  
Anonymous thebug said...

this is a local blog not religion or anything of vital global importance, nothing to start wars over. no reason to say this blog is above anything or anyone. that's something 8 year olds do, "c'mon Tommy you're above these bullies, let's go to my house and play."
go eat an icecream cone and bust out the lego land.

3:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


3:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys all need Proactiv

3:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No, you guys need to be Proactive. You're whining about stuff you can change or ignore but instead you choose to whine. Look, theres no IT list today, how about you go be a productive person instead of a negative drain.

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, I'm off to make friendship bracelets.

Last one at Hobby Lobby is a rotten egg!!!!!!!!!!!!

3:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cool, you can throw them from the stage at your show and everyone will think thats SO cool. see? productive?

4:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, 2:02,

we get it, you like song writing. turn on 88.5 Mesquite High School radio, where they play the best of 1970's singer songwriters. then go listen to Wilco, fuckchop.

4:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:08 does not know how to read!

4:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HOW DARE you knock that station!

4:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"shut the fuck up", "cocksucker", "fuckchop" (?)

Um, you're taking this blog and people having an opinion a little too seriously. Maybe you've been listening to a little too much Agnostic Front? Go back to Barley House BRA and have a beer. Calm down, it's only a blog, it's only a blog.

4:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mesquite radio ROCKS! I love that station, they tell you recipes, talk about different species of birds and give you updates on the planets. You can take your EDGE radio and shove it blog rager!

4:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


You're taking my opinion of fuckchops too seriously. You'd probably know more about Barley House than I would, "bra". Are you the same one that was speaking in weird Yale Boulevard riddles earlier? Take that garbage to St. Elsewhere.

4:17 PM  
Blogger jamo said...


4:18 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

I have a beard and our drummer just started a rad mustache. should we quit making music?

4:20 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

First of all, 217 and 208 get posts of the day. Both are funny, but 217 wins because of the award tour reference, and 208 wins because, despite Mesquite Radio being kind of cool, I'm so fucking sick of the people that like "melodies and rhythm and bands that actually practice" because they're so over everything else and realize that all we're doing on this blog is trying to be cool and different like we're fucking twelve year olds. I can't believe they've got the whole world figured out!

4:21 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

and I don't mean to say that I'm against fans of pop. I probably like as much or more straight up pop rock than just about anyone that posts on here, I just get so tired of people not liking music that is a little strange and then dismissing it as bullshit based on some motive to just be strange and cool that they attribute to bands and fans that they don't know.

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks. 2:08 and 2:17 are the same author.


4:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i can stop reading this blog now, stonedranger just spelled everything out for me

4:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stoned Ranger,

please clarify your last post. It made no sense whatsoever.

Your friend

4:27 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

ok, maybe it wasn't very well written. I'm just trying to say that there seem to be certain people on here that think they're cool because they've "figured out" that experimental music is just crap that people throw together at the last minute in an effort be "artsy" or cool or whatever. They hear music that they don't like, which is fine, but then they don't actually dismiss the music. Instead, they try to attribute this set of completely immature motives (to be cool or artsy) to bands that make experimental music and people that listen to it.

And then they get on a soap box and talk about how dumb everyone is for not liking sudgefan stefuns. And it just annoys me. If you only like indie pop and hate noise, fine thats cool with me. But tell me why you don't like the music, instead trying to knock down a straw man that you've created to lend more credibility to your opinions.

4:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous's taking credit for stupid half baked ideas is about as stupid as the stupid half baked ideas themselves. The old "hippie" from previous posts was right, you guys try to put music in a little box, stamp a label on it and lash out against anyone who doesn't like it. You pretend to not be a clique just like jocks, frats, emo kids, punks, brit hate when someone has a differing opinion of something you put on a holy pedestal so you're just as narrow minded a bunch as the lot of them. I'd like to think the majority of the people who read this blog (and write this blog) are well into their 20's at LEAST and have left behind their junior high clique mentality where only the "cool" kids (the ones who agree with everything you say) are allowed to speak and the ones who aren't (the ones with their own opinions)get beat up and called silly names like "cocksucker", "fuckchop", etc. Surely this blog draws people only for it's low brow comment humor? Surely there can't be a mass of blind followers who believe anything and everything in printed form as the RIGHT THING to believe. If that be the case, ask not why your scene sucks any more. You are the scene. Have it.

4:37 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

speaking of experimental music:

if you hate that, you'll hate this

4:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


And what populist faction do you represent? Are you the average everyday joe? What do you like? And if you have such a problem why are you here sifting through a mountainous pile of anonymous comments? Was the lowbrow humor what drew you here to act like you're so pure? And trust me, this is not the "scene".

4:45 PM  
Blogger Zak said...

word of the day: fuckchop. that's great!

4:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


I love experimental music.

But I hate you.

4:46 PM  
Blogger jamo said...


4:48 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

ps. that is so insightful.

4:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't really hate you but you proved a point for me. You responded twice. You're the cody robinson of experimental music. It's all about you, dude.

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Im suprised you even asked what I listen to since theis whole blog is about passing "fuckchop" judgements and criticisms without even finding out what I DO listen to. What populist faction do I represent? The music lover faction pure and simple. And you're only asking what I listen to so you can perhaps snort and throw some indie names around to make yourself feel mightier. I listen to a broad spectrum of music that..whoops, goes outside the realm of "indie", maybe even passes through different continents, ages and way outside the little box you're trying to fit around it. It's called music- it goes in your ears. No box included. You bring that to the table.

4:53 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

what if I respond three times?

4:54 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

or four?

4:54 PM  
Blogger jamo said...

or five to prove how infinitely boring my job is.

4:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cliques don't like to be called out, let's pretend this never happened and they'll be none the wiser.

4:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Called OUT! Day-um!

4:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


congratulations on liking music. the people that write for weshotjr probably don't like music as much as you do. that's why they're wasting a good chunk of their valuable time to talk about it. and here's a suggestion-just because you don't recognize a name don't assume it's "indie". again, even though some people are fuckchops, I encourage you to talk about this vast spectrum of exotic, international and aged artists you enjoy. are you a dj? you sound like one. should this site include a box of what you listen to before people pass judgement?

5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sound like a DJ? Thanks, that's really all I need to know about the way you jump to comclusions about people. This blog had some potential to be a table where differing opinions came together and discussed and made out town all the more interesting for it. If you go to all these places you claim has a better scene you'll see (or maybe you won't) what makes that place better is that everyone coexists. Instead of trying to squash their differing neighbor they learn to accept, mix and therefore bring something new and exciting to the table. If the comments posted here are any indication of the show going populace in this area, that is sad. A bunch of closed minded twits, always assuming, judging and never letting anyones opinions but their own be heard. Having differing opinions raises thoughts and ups the ante, makes things ineteresting. But "whatever", as you all say.

5:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Shit. Who pissed in Adubs cheerios?

5:12 PM  
Blogger Defensive Listening said...

3:08 who said-

"I listen to a broad spectrum of music that..whoops, goes outside the realm of "indie", maybe even passes through different continents, ages and way outside the little box you're trying to fit around it. It's called music- it goes in your ears. No box included."

Please give me some examples. I'm curious. Your opinion is obviously as welcome as everyone's.

5:14 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

yes, I think if anything, my previous comment was an attempt to say that I really enjoy talking about music on here, both with people that have similar tastes and those that don't. I was a little annoyed, but was trying to invite people that don't like certain types of music to share their thoughts on it, rather than passing judgment based on the personalities of people they don't know.

Anyone is free to post anything on here, obviously, and just about any and everyone does. And yes, people disagree, and thats ok, and yes people are mean sometimes, but there is nothing that I can do about that. But I don't think anyone has ever suggested that people aren't allowed to have different opinions on here. have you ever seen a post in which everyone agreed with me? Or even most people? I doubt that there has been one in quite some time.

The conversations could certainly be more constructive around here much of the time, but if we're doing anything, we're giving people a place to say whatever they want without having to worry too much about anything. I don't know how much more inclusive we could be.

5:28 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

just because a person's opinion isn't popular with most of the readers here doesn't mean that anyone thinks that they aren't allowed to hold that opinion... but it does mean that they might be asked to defend it. And thats a big part of having a good conversation.

5:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's too damn hot.
There. I said it.

5:50 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

no shit. Its like 102 degrees right now or something.

5:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, this annoying girl went to the zom zoms show w/ me and some people, she kept talking about how the band (zom zoms and undoing as well) "offended" her because she "was classicaly trained as a singer" and what we were hearing was "clearly not music".

...some people have a fucked up view of art and music. like it's gotta be GOOD. good is a subjective term. if i sing 3 notes I'M MAKING MUSIC. it may be shitty, it may be quaint... but it's music.

...on the same note, a traced hand made into a turkey for thanksgiving IS art. it's not the most impressive art ever, it's not going to be worth money to anyone (maybe, though)... but i think people are somehow confused about the fact that just because you HATE something, doesn't mean it isn't real.

anyway, if you're THAT high-brow about music then go to a fucking symphony and thumb your nose there. You certaintly shouldn't be on this blog.

6:06 PM  
Anonymous delmore said...

DL's posts appear to be a rare breed of commentuary volcano & you can tune a piano but you cant tuna fish.

6:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah... anonymous vague poster... quit answering questions w/o answering the question. are you some 50 year old who just FRRRRIIIEEED his brain out on drugs a few years back and you, for some reason, think that we can comprehend your encoded keystrokes? look man, the government isn't reading this shit.. they don't know who you are...neither do we... so lets quit this magic marker bullshit and CLARIFY.

i mean, goddamn.

6:11 PM  
Blogger jonofdeath said...

I think this is a differing view of entertainment and art. Art can be entertainment. But entertainment is not art.

6:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I'm so fucking sick of the people that like "melodies and rhythm and bands that actually practice" because they're so over everything else"

A proper conversation at last? One that doesn't involve the word "fuckchop" and snickering? Stonedranger, I'll have to say that I was annoyed at the "yeah fuckchop, good one,man" attitude that made it seem as if you pat nimrods on the back for making you laugh. But it's your blog and I'm sure nimrods ego was stroked that the anonymous blogger thought him clever. Defensive Listening wants examples of what I listen to so I can "prove" that I can write a valid response here. I appreciate the gesture and although it's not necessary (too many people judge others on what they're listening to) it's everything from Mingus, Monk, Miles, Sabbath, Suicide, This Heat, Captain Beefheart, Big Star, Magazine, Television, Eno, Pink Floyd, Elliott Smith, Julie London, Muddy Waters, Os Mutantes, The Spiders, Ennio Morricone, Les Baxter, Lalo Schifrin, Bo Diddley, Chocolate Watchband, The Music Machine,Split Ends, Love and Rockets, Funkadelic, Calico Wall, Slint, Sonny Rollins, Stereolab, David Bowie, Aretha F, Diana R, The Ronettes, Rex, T.Rex, DNA, Devo, The Lovin' Spoonful, The Pretenders, Joy Division, Silver Apples, The Monks, Fugazi, The Creatures, The Sonics, Jesus Lizard, Apples in Stereo, Beck, Beastie Boys, DJ Spooky, Aphex Twin, Cornershop, Waits, Lou Rawls, The Vaselines, Velvet Underground, 1/2 Japanese, Deerhoof, Duster, Ananda Shankar, Love, Euclid, Oriental Sunshine,Sinn Sisamouth, Cat Stevens, Carol King, Jesus and Mary Chain, Leonard Cohen, The Clash to all the golden rock icons... and I can't go on much longer because my pizza's about to be here but whatever delights my ears from all over, everywhere. Timeless.

6:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Start lining up the boxes, because I'm now a "DJ" and a washed up "50 year old" vague anonymous poster. What else? What else? You're so off it's entertaining.

6:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How do you keep track of which anonymous is which?

6:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"anyway, if you're THAT high-brow about music then go to a fucking symphony and thumb your nose there. You certaintly shouldn't be on this blog."

I have no idea who this is directed at since no one said anything about high brow ART or MUSIC. A comment was made about low brow COMMENTS and if you don't think something to the effect of "chuckle chuckle, hay maw, I just made a funny on this thar internet contraption" is low brow then theres really no help for you.

6:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


7:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And Mahler is fantastic.

7:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And so is my pizza.

7:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope Adub isn't any of these anons. Damn.

8:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For some time before his death, Scriabin had planned a multi-media work, to be performed in the Himalayas, that would bring about the armageddon, "a grandiose religious synthesis of all arts which would herald the birth of a new world." This piece, Mysterium, was never realized.

9:28 PM  
Blogger jamo said...


can you tuna sandwich?

9:29 AM  
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11:48 AM  
Anonymous earl said...

i have a "beard". i've had a
"beard" for almost 8 years now. it's not fashion. it just makes
my face look a little less fat.

anyone on here like old Slayer,
DRI, Dead Horse, Anthrax, MOD,
Napalm Death, Rigor Mortis, etc?
just curious.

10:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

im the anonymous that said all the cool things

2:31 AM  
Anonymous djtigerbee said...

I like old Slayer, old Anthrax and M.O.D. My favorite M.O.D song is "please don't feed the fucking bears". Reminds me of being a kid and getting bloody on skateboards.

10:22 AM  
Anonymous earl said...

right on djtigerbee!!!

3:39 PM  
Anonymous djtigerbee said...

I was weaned on Fats Domino, Ranchero music, Sex Pistols and Devo. Go figure ;)

3:49 PM  
Blogger Zak said...

I'm game. Dead Horse was the shit. Their cover of 'Rock Lobster' was so great, best thing about them was they didnt take that whole death metal/whatever they did too seriously. DRI is alright. Napalm Death was good, but never listened to a ton of their stuff... but I always appreciated their love of dub music. Slayer has some great stuff too... depends. 'Angel of Death' was the best thing they ever wrote imo.

But I don't know much about all that stuff really... just picked it from friends... never been my thing except for a few passing interests.

11:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Mingus, Monk, Miles, Sabbath, Suicide, This Heat, Captain Beefheart, Big Star, Magazine, Television, Eno, Pink Floyd, Elliott Smith, Julie London, Muddy Waters, Os Mutantes, The Spiders, Ennio Morricone, Les Baxter, Lalo Schifrin, Bo Diddley, Chocolate Watchband, The Music Machine,Split Ends, Love and Rockets, Funkadelic, Calico Wall, Slint, Sonny Rollins, Stereolab, David Bowie, Aretha F, Diana R, The Ronettes, Rex, T.Rex, DNA, Devo, The Lovin' Spoonful, The Pretenders, Joy Division, Silver Apples, The Monks, Fugazi, The Creatures, The Sonics, Jesus Lizard, Apples in Stereo, Beck, Beastie Boys, DJ Spooky, Aphex Twin, Cornershop, Waits, Lou Rawls, The Vaselines, Velvet Underground, 1/2 Japanese, Deerhoof, Duster, Ananda Shankar, Love, Euclid, Oriental Sunshine,Sinn Sisamouth, Cat Stevens, Carol King, Jesus and Mary Chain, Leonard Cohen, The Clash to all the golden rock icons..."

Hi, Kyle!!

1:56 PM  

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