Monday, April 09, 2007

Saturday Night @ Rubber Gloves

Let's be honest with ourselves for a moment, shall we? More often than we'd like, local rock concerts are fairly drab affairs. Sure, seeing a solid local line up in a comfortable venue with a bunch of friends (who might include the bands themselves) can be great fun, but local shows often lack some of the excitement, anticipation, and unexpected pleasures that can transform a run of the mill concert experience into something great. It isn't anyone's fault most of the time, but the concept of diminishing returns tends to seep into the equation once you've seen some of your favorite local bands X amount of times. It usually isn't you and it usually isn't the bands, its just the way things work. After a while, you know what to expect from the bands you catch on a regular basis, and although you'll continue to enjoy their performances, the chances that you'll see or hear something new seem to grow smaller and smaller with each passing experience.
But as anyone who attended Saturday's show at Rubber Gloves can probably attest, the aforementioned state of affairs isn't always the rule. In fact, you didn't even have to be a fan of any of the bands performing on Saturday to pick up on the relatively high level of excitement and energy that was swirling around the venue even before the first act took the stage. Sure, it was clear that many of the people in attendance knew many of the other people in attendance, but scene schmoozing and the consumption of intoxicating substances weren't the only things fueling the fire. Much like a handful of other big shows we've seen in Denton in recent months, the potential for getting carried away was measurably present on Saturday, and it was the bands, not the beers, that were responsible for it.
A sizable portion of the early excitement probably had something to do with the debut performance of Denton's Ghosthustler, a band that has already received a good deal of national blog coverage (thanks largely to Gorilla vs. Bear), college radio play, and casual interest from a noteworthy record label, all on the strength of two Myspace demos and a total of zero shows. This kind of premature attention can often lead to disproportionate tongue in cheek comparisons to ghosts of hype hustlers past, but lets just go ahead and squash all that shit before it starts: lead singer Alan Palomo's microphone basically didn't work throughout the entire set, but it was still quite clear that Ghosthuster is getting ready to start kicking everyone's ass all over town. We don't want to dig too deep into their sound since we're preparing a longer piece on them for later this week, but the combination of Palomo's commanding stage presence along with the alarming precision and glitchy hard hitting dance floor funk of the music was quite exhilarating, particularly for a debut, and the fact that more than half the audience already seemed to know their two songs made the absence of vocals less of a problem than one might imagine. Anyone in attendance that doubted whether Ghosthustler would be able to "pull it off" in a live setting is probably already planning to take a second look, as the band didn't seem at all like one that was playing live for the first time.
Eat Avery's Bones experienced some sound problems throughout their set as well, but again, their hyperactive and devoted fans could have cared less. Its a bit difficult to say much about this band that hasn't already been alluded to on this blog, but I have serious doubts that anyone could watch one of EAB's 15 minute sets and not at least laugh and enjoy themselves enough to consider the experience well worth it. Running through several of their short songs with the comic intensity of a cartoon character on meth, Eat Avery's Bones wowed the room with sheer joy and intensity, and if the speed of light proggy breakdowns or the ferocious pacing of the drums didn't get you, the microphone wizard certainly did (really, all the guy did was stand there holding a mic and he was still hilarious). The band's creativity is infectious in a live setting, and the silliness surrounding much of what they do doesn't end up hiding the fact that they've got the raw talent to do whatever the hell they want. Similar to bands like Japanther, The Mae Shi or even Lightning Bolt, Eat Avery's Bones is able to utilize humor and a sort of 8-bit Hypercolor aesthetic to make the aggressiveness of their music that much more interesting and rewarding.
Austin's Cry Blood Apache was apparently two men short of a full band on Saturday, but that didn't stop them from putting on a fantastic show, albeit a much darker and spacier one than the bands they shared the stage with. Its kind of funny that people in the comment threads were comparing CBA to Suicide and early industrial today, because my first reaction to their set was "sounds like Suicide," and my second reaction was "sounds like Suicide mixed with late 80's Ministry." I guess Nitzer Ebb would be a fair comparison too (as they hint at on their Myspace page), but last time I checked, sounding like any of those bands was far from a bad thing. And I don't mean to suggest that the band is overly derivative either. For one thing, to even remind someone of Suicide in the first place is a commendable accomplishment, and CBA was able to turn it up quite a bit by deconstructing some of Suicide's creepier moments and allowing the chaos of noise and industrial clatter to drill through Rubber Gloves like a psychedelic jackhammer, pounding rhythms and disturbing atmospherics into everyone's heads.
And of course, the Undoing of David Wright, back in action after a hiatus of several months, was jaw droppingly loud and ferocious. The last time I saw one of their shows was several months ago at Darkside Lounge, where the band appeared to be struggling with sound problems, difficult new material and a general lack of focus. On Saturday, despite a few more sound issues, Undoing put on the most aggressive performance I've ever seen from them. A sensory overload of flashing lights, nervous tempo changes and harsh beats yet again served as a forum for Shane English and A Train to display their typically tight playing, but what was really striking was how difficult much of the new material was. The set, although very rhythmic, was noticeably less dance oriented than the typical Undoing set you might have seen over a year ago. The thing is, everyone up front was still dancing. There wasn't a four on the floor beat to be found for more than what seemed like ten seconds, but the crowd was still moving like they always have at Undoing shows. The band appears to be in the process of regrouping and evolving, and if Saturday's show was any indication, they might be headed to some strange but exciting places with both music and visual performance.
Of course, theres no telling what Undoing or any of these other bands might do next. The show was attended by people who had obviously seen the entire line up before, but the excitement in the air made it clear that people were prepared to experience just about anything that night. That mystery is part of what makes all of these bands so good, and it played a big role in making Saturday's performance the best local show I've seen this year.

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

ah ok write up but..first ghost hustler was pretty good but FAR from original very basic..and dont EVER compare EAB to lightning bolt, there not even close... thats just stupid.. also Cry Blood Apache was the highlight and totaly ruled Nitzer Ebb/Skinny Puppy sounds. I thought THe undoing sounded weak compared to other shows of theirs and the presentation was weak for their "Big" show... but still an all around good show. Dont get me wrong i did enjoy every band but i think SR liked it a little too much for what it was..

9:34 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

I was only comparing the humor of both bands... obviously, they sound nothing like one another.

9:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how is lightning bolt humorous at all?

9:52 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

I think a lot of stuff they do is funny. Have you ever seen their DVD? Its pretty much live footage mixed in with footage of them goofing off. Or what about the stuff they've done with Paper Rad? Or any of their art work? Or the masks the drummer wears? I think its clear, if nothing else, that despite the heaviness of their music, they don't take themselves very seriously, and based on what I've seen from them, they share the same kind of hyperactive kid sense of humor that EAB seems to have.

10:01 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

Lightning Bolt is definitely a funny fucking band. But comedy and "taking yourself seriously" are not mutually exclusive, and in my experience, the most meaningful and relevant artists to the post-911 generation border on the absurd. Too much always seems just right.

9:34, totally agree. CBA stole the show. Our performance was weaker than I would have liked it to be, but the crowd much more than made up for it. We got there early to do an exhaustive sound check so that we wouldn't run into the sound issues which kept screwing with us, so I don't know what the shit happened. Should go off better Friday, self-contained @ SHQ.

Thanks for the write-up, SR.

10:13 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

Also, vid from Saturday is here:

10:18 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

well I think theres a difference between being serious about what you do and taking yourself seriously. For example, Lightning Bolt is obviously serious about what they do... with the amount of work they have to put into everything, they couldn't be anything but serious.

However, they don't "take themselves seriously," as in the way Scott Stapp raises his arms in the air or the way pretty much any band played on KDGE acts all the time. See what I mean? I guess we agree, being funny and being serious about your work certainly aren't mutually exclusive (ask any good comedian), but people that "take themselves seriously" usually aren't very funny. Know what I mean? I guess when I describe someone as "taking themselves seriously," I usually mean it as a reference to self importance more than anything else.

And just for shits and giggles, who do you think some of these artists are? I'm curious to know who you might be referring to.

10:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

post 9-11 generation?.... ohhh god.

10:33 AM  
Anonymous oveo said...

WEAK? lars, I'm calling you out on your humility.

psshhh, weak?

great review!

10:37 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

SR- Yeah, we're on the same page. I just don't like people categorizing bands as either "funny" or "deep", like they're some sort of opposed binary. And I know that's not what you're doing. By funny I'm generally talking about camp, whether intentional or interpreted, and more specifically that beautifully fuzzy spot somewhere in the middle.

10:33- That all you got to say, shithead?

O- Thanks.

10:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do i need to say more? you people take yourselves so fucking seriously attaching all this faux-philosophy and posturing. it's hilarious.
you're even my friend. i'll just have to reem you in person.

11:15 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

Wanna fight? I'll fight. :)

I'm not striking some pose or making shit up here to seem self-important, and if you really do know me, you know that. I'm just having a goddamn conversation, which I find interesting. Conversations used to happen on this blog. Agree or disagree, I don't fucking care, just add something if you post.

11:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'll add my observations about a bunch of dick-rubbing. How's that?

11:50 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

1150: its getting old dude.

12:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it was a fun show. everyone get the fuck over yourselves. bands can seriously not take themselves seriously. its what made the show less of a "drab affair" than most local shows. in fact, probably what was most fun for me and the people i was with was laughing at all you people who took TUODW and the rest of the acts more seriously than they presented themselves, and looking like total jackasses because of it. you know who you are. thanks for the entertainment.

12:06 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

11:50 - Let's hear 'em. How big were the dicks?

12:06 - Thanks for playing with us. :)

12:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whole bill sucked.

12:12 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

That is, I mean play as in the playground sense, not saying you were in one of the bands.

12:14 PM  
Anonymous a.m. said...


Your scope is small submariner but I guess that is why you are an anonymous dreg poster as opposed to a psyched-out-captain looking through the periscope at the mother load like Lars.

Events define generations. 911 defined this decade. Some artists have foresight enough to recognize the forces around them that inevitability becomes a part of their art. Citizens that can not grasp larger aspects of life are the first to ridicule those that do. So what we should dumb ourselves down to maintain an image of coolness?

If you equate intelligence with arrogance then I equate your lack of intelligence as a sign of your failed potential. And funny enough you are the one that seems arrogant. Have some self-respect.

12:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lars.. buddy. Stop with this shit. Please

12:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

man i just really fucked up a job interview

12:39 PM  
Blogger Zine-O-Phonic said...

I'm looking forward to Friday at SHQ.

12:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i believe i just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

12:53 PM  
Anonymous od nalro said...

seminal events effect art period.
according to some theories, Japan is still reeling from nagasaki and hiroshima, hence their infatuation with the "culture of cute"

I'd say that some of the hipster irony and day glow 29487327 bpm hyperspeed adhd vomit aesthetics abound today have something to do with media attention paid to "the war on terror" and similar campaigns. I guess that most of you don't realize that what the cold war was to the new romantics, terror is to us and everything we do.

there is a subliminal element, so only those deep in the ether of the noosphere would get this anyway

[end intentionally pretentious post]

12:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

blah blah blah.
The Undoing put on a great show!

1:05 PM  
Anonymous King Friday the Thirteenth said...

Friday will be a blast!
The resurrection!

1:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it should be zombie bunnies, since it's the "ressurection". And since Easter was 2 days ago. Should be a fun time!

2:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I spelled resurrection wrong. Trash me!

2:11 PM  
Blogger jonofdeath said...

I think a really good example of a band that seriously doesn't take themselves seriously is Liar's. They write some of the most incredible music and their shows are super-intense. And yet they are really light-hearted and fun. In my opinion it is the best part of their show. They're playing this awesomely intense music and all the while they are having a ton of fun playing it. But why in the world am I writing about Liars? I guess I'm just ready to see them again. Oh how I miss the Liars. Them and Kaito. Anyone ever see or hear Kaito? Now that would be a great show...Liars and Kaito. Someone should make that happen.

3:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't you in Beauxregard? Man. You guys suck.

3:18 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

Liars was actually the first band that popped into my head when the subject came up.

3:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An Albatross?

3:21 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

Liars are fucking great. Anyone remember that show at Hailey's a few years ago, when they were playing off the witches album, where Angus Andrew wore a dirty sweatshirt with muddy tire tracks across it? He said the next album was set in a pig farm, and showed off guitar tricks Axel Rose taught him. It was a small crowd.

Shit. Get Hustle played that night too. That was a good night.

3:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Quintron is another great band that takes themselves anything but seriously. But they still fucking rock! I think bands that take themselves too seriously like Lift to Experience and Explosions in the Sky are seriously boring.

3:25 PM  
Blogger jonofdeath said...

I am in Beauxregard. It's all a matter of taste. I like lemon merainge personally.

3:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is much better shit going in Denton than these acts.

Are these the same douches that used to hang out in front of the Tomato covered in white face paint?

3:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And it's too bad, because Lift to Experience was a hell of a band....amazing live shows. Too bad their singer has a Jesus complex.

3:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And what "better shit" would that be, 3:51 PM? Please enlighten us.

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes i have the lightning bolt dvd i have seen the paper rad stuff.. iv seen them live, iv have rare shit.. and they do take themselves seriously, they have fun, but they are serious as it gets about their music, and art. just because people like to goof off does not mean thier art or music is goofy or funny.and just because they like to play around doesent even mean they dont take themselves seriously...and the mask the drummer wears is to keep his mic on his face, not to be funny. and i agree with Lars i hate it when people call bands funny.

4:13 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

so whats your point?

4:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lift to experience singer doesn't have a jesus complex, he just loves jesus, big difference!

4:32 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

3:51 - No. We've never worn white face paint.

4:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Josh is completely stuck up. Look at the dude's default picture on myspace. I mean, I love Lift to Experience(especially live....I hope they do a reunion soon), but i'll be the first to admit that Josh has very much of a holier-than-thou attitude.

4:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm still waiting to hear what all the better shit that we're all missing out on is?


4:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great article, by the way. I think you gave Ghosthustler way too much credit than they deserved though. Their sound has been done many times over and it's surprising that you would be so blown away by it. It sucks because bands like Faux Fox don't seem to get enough press and Ghosthustler just sounds like Faux Fox. The singer even wears tight white jeans.

No offense to the people in Ghosthustler, as you all seem like really swell guys. I just think you would be more interesting if you tried some different avenues with your sound is all. This is all just one guys opinion, so.....

4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Hell is other people."

-Josh T. Pearson

Thanks Josh! What a guy!

5:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To say Pearson is stuck up is just admitting your ignorant and that you obviously never knew him. If he's so fucking stuck up then why did he leave his label and TX to play dives in obscurity? Sounds pretty pretentious to me...

5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Because he's trying to build up his "legend". I've known Josh since 1998.

5:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And if "Texas is the reason." , then why the fuck did he leave Texas? Seems like Sheffield or Paris is the reason now.

5:21 PM  
Anonymous mc said...

Jesus has a Josh Pearson complex.

I just got back from Germany. I can see how they would totally worship him there. Wish'd I could have seen him in Berlin actually but I was on the other side of the country.

5:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dont smoke. get off the internet.

7:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

most pointless thread in history

7:39 PM  
Blogger Zak said...

4:58 - Just because Ghosthustler has a similar sound to other bands or is plowing the same musical fields as others doesn't mean that the way they do it is not worth writing about or thinking it is really cool or fun. To say they should try a different sound is like telling Justice to stop doing their deal because SebastiAn was already doing it (or insert any comparison here). Plenty of room for for both; Faux Fox has an awesome sound too. Not attacking, just sayin.'

I just think it is cool that any bands around here are making music like that. Send a mp3 to 20 Jazz Funk Greats, seems right up their alley.

7:39 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...


8:11 PM  
Anonymous farah said...

"hell is other people" is a quote from Jean Paul Sartre. He wrote a play, I can't remember what it is called about 4 or 5 people stuck in a room forever together. and in his mind, he believed that "hell is other people"

nice one Josh

9:49 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

hmm... learn something new every day.

11:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the undoing were great as always, but i'd rather not get elbowed in the face, i think i grew out of that stage. its good to know that people still have the energy and desire to get that pumped about good local acts, though.

cba were amazing. its about time they made it back up here to denton.

eab are fun kids. even if people don't like them, they have very genuine hearts and they put their personalities into their music. plus i think they couldn't possibly give a shit about what anyone says about them, which is pretty awesome - especially for this fucking metroplex.

ghosthustler, probably one of the most fun acts i've seen this year. so what if the sound was fucked up? im looking forward to another show.

11:34 PM  
Anonymous jewfro said...


11:45 PM  
Anonymous meg said...

all beers aside, i thought it was a really fun show.

11:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ghost Hustler. Are you serious? Any body with a casio keyboard, a drum machine, or garageband could make that in about two seconds.

The only thing that sounds like hard work is acting that pretentious.

1:04 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

1:04 - Uh, if you actually made electronic music you'd eat your words. Those kids know what the hell they're doing, and the production is damn good. "Originality" issues aside, whatever, it's a lot more than casios and garageband, and those songs are the result of days of hard work and tweaking.

2:57 AM  
Blogger Heather said...

Fuck Sartre, Fuck John and fuck Farah. Hell is Farah on stage, Josh when he talks, and people who read Sartre to be a pretentious shitass. How do we learn about life and ourselves without others? You should just kill yourself if you feel that way because it will be far less painful for you since we are such a hellish burden. Believe me, we wont miss you lovers.

7:42 AM  
Blogger Heather said...

Flappers In Nylons
Floppers with Crayons

They are no longer in use.

~Heather Larsen

7:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lars...a likely name...

The casio, programmed pseudo techno bullshit is about as bad as the Tinnitus acts. I'm not sure which one takes less effort to produce.

I do know that they pretty much equally suck. The fads will come and go, but the real musicians will remain.

8:16 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

who are the real musicians?

9:01 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

I am curious too. But I doubt you're going to share.

9:57 AM  
Anonymous am said...

that whole real vs. non- real musician is so 20th century. seriously do you think a "real" musician really cares anyway that someone decides to make music by "non-real" means? i would think that a "real" musician would be interested to see experimentation.if they do care well shouldn't they be doing scales or something instead of sweating some "fad" anyway? i mean after the fad goes away there they will be still doing scales for us and proving what a real musician is.


ghosthustler is already really good. their first show was killer. the thing i like best about them is that they are going to only get better and better.

10:01 AM  
Blogger Zak said...

Wtf is up with this 'real musician' bullshit? Is it real if you only use traditional instruments? Is it real only if you don't use technology? Is there a year cut-off? What keyboards are okay? Or is it only a piano thatis okay? That is so tired of an argument that you look ignorant and narrow minded saying that. Most bands use Pro-Tools nowadays anyway so nothing is 'real' anymore. I'd say that electronic music has been around long enough now for people to get the fuck over it and accept it.

Kraftwerk has more soul than many 'traditional' or 'real' bands I've heard.

10:34 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

The only 'reality' to music is shared human contact and imagination. That can happen just as powerfully whether your instrument is a computer or tribal drums. Arguably, in terms of the cultural context of our age, the computer would even be the more relevant choice.

10:50 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

I don't know the history of it, but I don't doubt that once musicians began using amplifiers and microphones instead of relying on acoustically sound concert halls -- there was a lot of the same arguing going on as there is now over analog vs. digital technology (an argument that is way past being relevant, with the current level of computer recording technology) and this whole naive, dismissive, anti-computer bullshit attitude.

So unless you cover your loins with organic linens and skin animals to make your drum heads, shut up.

10:57 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

too bad the person who wrote the comment that started all this won't even have the guts or the brains to respond.

11:01 AM  
Anonymous electronic warfare said...

The E.W. lets our computer get all fuzzy with us she eats our brainz- but it is a superior relationship because while she jackz our mindz and runs around with her spikey heels all gooey like and takes bits of soul (that she stores in her secret soft-bank) it is total-wuzz which is like total-digital head-

it is phucking good and we say phucking because it is like a hybrid of vegan vietnamese food and really wazz sex!!!!!!

PRESS ENTER SPAZZERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

-the e.w. S.E.D. ><><><><><

11:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with 8:16.

You guys are actually comparing yourselves to monumental shifts in music? C'mon... get over your fat egos! You aren't as important as you think you are. It doesn't matter what your little group of friends tell you after a horrible show in some shithole in Denton.

Learn to play.

11:12 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...


11:24 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

Hahahahaahahaha. Ouch. Tell me when your band plays an amazing show in front of your big group of friends, (and fans because you actually have some), at some better club in Denton, and I'll be there.

I am NOT talking about my band in these posts, unless it's being explicitly referenced, or making any comparisons.

I'm talking about shifts in thinking and underground art in a broad, worldwide context. My ego has shit to do with it.

Why don't you give us examples of some bands that can "play"? If, perchance, you're talking about German speed metal bands, or Prince, I agree with you and wholeheartedly apologize.

12:20 PM  
Anonymous electronic warfare said...

citizen 11:12am :

"learn to play" will make an excellent song title. in fact i have heard two random comments today that i think the ew are going to use as song titles. the 1st was a blip i heard on cnn "these explosions bring us together" we think that song will be about a two minute sonic-fycke attack about how explosions have the potential to bring people together.

and now we have the title "learn to play" but it isnt going to be a lame song about sitting down reading tab and trying to crack the guitar code (which i hear dan brown and tom hanks are working on-so they have that market)it is going to be about free-citizens who were sad for a while because their national monument was destroyed by a fangz-out smart-bomb attack...but from the ahses and the streets arose a sound that brought people together and they learned how to play again!!!!!!!!!!!!

broken glazz all the way bunk loader.....

12:33 PM  
Anonymous Jason W. Moore said...

This is all bullshit.

am, lars, not directed at you guys.

but please, lets not take this any further. everyone that makes something is going to be subjected to those who would like to tear it down. Regardless of any external factors that make your something different, or special.

I personally don't care. You guys want to tear my shit down, go ahead. I will just build something else. If you tell me who you are, Mr. Anon, I will name it after you.

I personally think that mr. Lars Larson, and Mr. Andrew Michael Hilburn are frontiersmen of the fourth octave. I know you don't agree with me, but that's ok, I sweat motherfuckers like you at every show.

12:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lars... your band is absolutely horrible. That's the bottom line.

12:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok I'm not going to be as mean as the rest of these anons, but I went to this show at RGRS on the word of a friend who was all but worshipping your "new" and "exciting" brand of music.

I gave each act a shot but came away bored each time. The Whataburger at 3am was more exciting.

12:55 PM  
Anonymous electronic warfare said...

jason moore is a fuzz captain! rock the strip doctor omora! sweat is good for the soul and the chumps that talk the waste are really little germs that get in your dek and break up your internet connection for a moment or two.... but telecommunication rangers are on the buzz 24/7 and the net never goes away not even when you turn off your machine....

12:55 PM  
Anonymous mr. crisp said...

12:55 please stay home next time- your drab energy just injects well drabness in what would otherwise be a close-knit ritual....

im not being mean either

just dont use the whole i went with a friend excuse

and you are what you eat- whataburger at 3am....

12:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although I think Ghost Hustler is pretentious and, sadly, much of that scene... I would never say that they aren't real musicians because that doesn't even make sense (if you can hit a drum you have all the prereq to be a musician). BUT I don't think that I am hearing anything new. It seems that the scene in question is made popular by who can strike a pose and who can make the most basic drum machine beats with a synth line that is more Gary Numan-esque with every play.

I may be biased because I never liked any 80s pop/ new-wave/ or no wave bands to begin with. I am extremely intrigued with bands that have grown from that scene, like the Liars, but sometimes I feel like I am watching an impression of bands like Suicide.

I like Undoing quite a bit and they all seem like really cool guys and I love EAB but sometimes I just can't take all the hype, the posing, and the seemingly contrived/ trite ideas.

I can't knock it because it has never been for me and I have been going to the shows for awhile (first time I remember actually watching Undoing was at July Alley three years ago or so). The dance beats just don't impress me but what do I know, I grew up listening to At The Gates.

1:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not using the "my friend" excuse next time either. He is no longer allowed to recommend shows.

In 5 years most of the members of these "bands" will realize how much time they wasted posturing in their circle of friends, but hey its art right?

Nah, its just shit through a speaker.

1:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe in five years you'll realize that all the time you spent talking shit in front of a vacuum tube was a waste of time...

do you feel like you've accomplished something today?

1:14 PM  
Anonymous mr. crisp said...

1:10 so you must be washed-up and bitter because it sounds like you know what will happen in the hearts and minds of these droogs in 5 years

i am curious what is your idea of a good local show?

1:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I mean, because I just wrote a letter with a ten person CC list that I spent a few days on, so that I can get some "important people" to an event that I am putting on in promotion of a book I am writing with two close friends of mine.

when I'm done, I will go home and make "noise" on my guitar in preparation for the show I am playing on saturday that is a "waste of time"

1:16 PM  
Blogger Defensive Listening said...

Make a point already. Damn. If you don't like those various styles of music, then why have you been to so many of the shows? You'd probably hate the Liars if they were in this same group of local bands. Their presence on a magazine cover is what does it for you, I guess. Validation. And if hype, posing, and contrived ideas bother you then I would ask why you like the Liars so much. I'm sure they'd be the first to admit those three things to you.

1:20 PM  
Anonymous mr. crisp said...

metal from sweden is so hip right now

i saw at the gates in 96 in san antonio with napalm death

1:21 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

Thanks Jason. You're right. I just can't keep my mouth shut.

Anyway. Fuck. I wish we could just keep things on a positive note around here. These comment threads would be such a fascinating, encouraging place to be if people weren't shitting on artists all the time.

12:55 - That's cool. You don't connect with it. You don't get it. That's fine. There are hundreds of great bands that I don't connect with, or get, and not for lack of trying. Undoing has been three years of making whatever kind of shit it was the three of us could best connect with. Some people feel the same way about it - and that, at least, is a fact that you can't deny after witnessing Saturday night.

12:50 - Thanks!

1:10 - Something tells me you're a bitter bastard who never finishes shit, and gets pissed off when others do. Fuck you and your preconceived notions. I work my ass off all fucking day long at work, I come home, I pay my bills, I kiss my baby girls, and I work my ass off all fucking night writing and creating shit. I don't have TIME to even think about maintaining your imaginary, elitist 'circle of friends', or 'posturing'.

1:16 - It went to a helluva a lot more than 10 people.

1:33 PM  
Anonymous electronic warfare said...

wait. we thought were the ones writing the book? it is about why the undoing is good and why anons suck plastic bottlez

1:45 PM  
Anonymous the ew said...

it will also be f illed with atrocious spellng and grammar like we will use your when it should be you're

1:46 PM  
Anonymous crankitup said...

how can one tell if a band takes themselves seriously or not? i can't tell the difference. to me most all music in general is a light-hearted affair. it's for pleasure.
saturday's show was good cuz it was fun. what else should i want from a show?

this reminds me of this time in 1996 when i was buying some gear and this dude in the store tried to lecture me about how yngwie malmsteen was the only "real musician" in rock music.

1:58 PM  
Anonymous Jesus said...

he's not?
my life is a lie.

2:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I love local bands who think they are changing the way art is perceived. It is HILARIOUS!

No one will remember any of you. Remember that!

3:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

josh pearson is a girl ass slapping skinny fuck and david wright not worth my time in words

3:44 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

3:37 - Never said anyone was changing anything. God, you are a bitter fuck.

3:44 - That's how we feel about DW too.

4:12 PM  
Anonymous a.m. said...

i will remember all of them and that is all that matters

4:13 PM  
Anonymous oveo said...


I think you may remember all of these bands... I mean, they obviously provoked you enough to get you on here talking about how meaningless they are. I'd say that's a memorable reaction.

and, I'm speaking for oveo here, but we are more interested in being part of the now than being remembered anyway. We want to be a specific part of the time and place in which we exist, I think we have accomplished this rather well.

4:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

pointy shoe facory is playing on friday???? like for real?

4:27 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

yes!! as a three piece. i can't fucking wait.

4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hell yeah pointy shoe is playing! i am so excited!!

4:36 PM  
Blogger Natalia said...

The show was fantastic. But what's up with all the blog comment animosity? Nobody will ever remember blog comments....but that show will live forever (at least in my mind). It was even more memorable than Yo La Tengo playing the next day.

4:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, lars, i'm sure you "work your ass off" all day...making dozens upon dozens of comments in various wsjr threads. what is your job exactly?

you should join the rest of us who've gotten tired of being ridiculed for no reason other than existing and being on the "it list" and taken to only looking at this blog. commenting never helps and isn't worth it. nobody listens. at least SR has your back, though. that's more than i can say for the most of us.

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks 3:37 PM!

I don't want to be remembered. I DO want my songs to be remembered though.

5:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right on Natalia. Yes, the recent Undoing show was the best local show i've perhaps EVER been to. And i've been to a lot of fucking shows.

And this IS history. In some way or another. Whether you like it or not.

5:48 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

5:20 - I'm a full time New Media designer/programmer for a production company. Work was slow today, I finished some big projects earlier in the week.

As for your points, you're absolutely right. Commenting doesn't seem to be helping. Maybe I keep posting for the sake of hype, posturing and the worldwide spread of my artsy fartsy elitist noise casio propaganda. Or maybe I really wish there were a properly moderated local music forum online, where those of us, like myself, who don't have the luxury of carousing in coffee shops like they use too, could carry on conversations and constructive arguing without all the mindless antagonism.

Hmmm. Maybe I should make one.

5:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't any of you realize that when we get on here and trash each other it means we are trashing our PEERS?! This is our generation we're pissing on, and i'll be damned if i'm going to go out like that. I'm going to embrace it. With vigor.

Who cares if you don't like The Undoing of David Wright and Eat Avery's Bones as bands. Can't we have the decency to be thoughtful and respectful to our PEERS? Our neighbors and fellow human beings...with hearts and feelings?

I'm embracing it now. Say what you will. I am embracing Farah. I am embracing The Undoing of David Wright. I am embracing Nouns Group. I am embracing Ghosthustler. I am embracing Josh Pearson. Goddamit, I am embracing Fry St. Fair! I hope everything goes well for them and that the fun can be spread all around....from the fairgrounds to The Eighth Continent to 715 Panhandle to the parties that will be going on God knows where else.

And I think you better start embracing it too. Or it all just might disappear. Like that.

6:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HAHA Lars! Look at what we were saying last night! And now look where we are? God. We're such hypocrites. :)

I'm going to eat your brains and gain your lifeforce. Heh-heh.

6:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so fucking sensitive

6:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

.... and gay

6:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John Carpenter, who composes scores to his own films, was originally chosen to compose the score to Planet Terror (Robert Rodriguez ended up taking over the job as composer).

6:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "missing reels" in the Grindhouse films were an original William Castle-style idea cooked up by Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez. Tarantino owns a print of the Oliver Reed film The Sell-Out (1976) which when he bought it was missing a reel (containing a major plot point). After watching the film in this way, Tarantino found the scenes that he didn't see created an interesting mystery which made him try to figure out what went down in those scenes. Contrary to rumors, in the Grindhouse era, frames would often be missing from films but not entire 20-30 minute reels. This was not a staple of Grindhouse cinema.

6:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like sensitive people. I also like gay people. So.....

6:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like gay people, but not thin-skinned ones.

6:32 PM  
Blogger stonedranger said...


I agree with you too. I think enough is enough with this bullshit. The thing of it is, I think its important to allow anonymous comments because they have the POTENTIAL for good use, and I also think its a drag to make people register or to call people out. I want to respect the anonymous status of those who choose to use it, but I also want people to be respectful to one another.

So... a few weeks ago, I started to wonder: are there really this many hateful people around here, or are there just a couple of people that like to come on here and be assholes? Thankfully, I have a program called statcounter that lists the IP address of every single person that comes on here. Additionally, every time someone posts a comment, it counts as a page load and shows that a person has visited a "publish comment" page. It also shows the minute that they loaded the publish page.

What does this mean? Well, it means that I can read a comment on here and then match the comment with the person's IP address. It doesn't tell me who the person is, but it does potentially give me the power to do the following to point out when a certain IP address makes a comment.

You see what I'm getting at? I've noticed that the SAME 3 IP addresses are making roughly 75% of the brainless shitty comments about Undoing and House of Tinnitus and this blog and DJs and pretty much everything else we talk about. These people NEVER offer anything that is the least bit funny or mature. So, you know what I'm going to start to do? Every time I see a dumb, mean spirited shitty comment, I'm going to check the IP address, and if it matches with one of the repeat offenders, I'm going to come on the blog and point it out. That way, everyone will realize how silly it is to get worked up over the comments of a couple of worthless assholes when there are so many people that read this blog and either 1) don't comment at all 2) want to have an intelligent discussion or 3) are funny, or possibly even nice.

I'm not going to publish the IP addresses, and I'm certainly not going to do anything abusive with any IP address. But this way, I can call these people out on their shit without taking away the ability to post anonymous if people want to do so. This will avoid erasing comments or calling someone out who wants to make a legitimate or funny criticism of this blog or anything we cover. I think this is a fair way to handle things, and I'd love some feedback.

6:41 PM  
Anonymous JWM said...


6:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I want it to end with a huge EXPLOOOOSION. Sky fulla' smoke."

7:37 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

Yes, bravo. I was going to suggest IP tracking or banning (in extreme cases). I still think the easiest way around all this is to require registered users. Everyone still stays completely anonymous (like you guys), but there will be a lot less temptation to just spout off -- and a lot less confusion and chaos. Everyone would be on an equal playing field, except for those of us who voluntarily chose to expose our identities.

It is really NOT a big deal AT ALL to sign up for a blogger account. You shouldn't have to go to all the trouble of coming in and spending a lot of time attributing comments and matching up IPs... just have everyone spend 30 seconds to create a goddamn account. If it were me, I'd ban IPs after a specified number of pointlessly antagonistic remarks, and post the rules up on the blog somewhere.

Offenders would then have to visit their local library in order to post on WeShotJR, but maybe that would do them some good anyway. OTOH, I recognize that you may be concerned with your readership dropping if all the so called "fun" to be had in the comment threads is tamed down. I just sincerely miss the honest discussion and open atmosphere of the first few months of this blog's comment threads.

Anyway... you make the rules, but if you need additional help with banning/tracking/internet subterfuge, etc. -- or even getting WSJR off blogger and migrated onto it's own server where you'd have much more control/customization, I'd be glad to help any way I can.

7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My boy Laahs is wicked smaaht.

7:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This site just got way more lame. IP trackers, big brother....

Wow opinions huh...

Have fun tracking addresses and wasting more of your time picking out who said what.


I'm tracking all of your addresses, IP, mailing, email, PO Box. Wait no that would make me like you.

You are right about this site having potential but you are about to blow that out of the water. Have fun.

Just make people register, it will cut down on the bullshit.

9:51 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

9:51 - I think that would be the best solution, too. But calling IP tracking 'big brother'-esque is rather over dramatic. All the same, I'm not exactly sure what it would accomplish, other than identifying what posts were made by the same people. And requiring registration accomplishes the same goal.

10:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes. I say that FOR GOOD(and this is meant to be taken in a few different ways), you guys get rid of anonymous posting.


or....I like this one.....


or maybe.....


The possibilities are endless, really. What...a be.....alive.(tears)

11:40 PM  
Blogger Lars said...

Definitely the second one.

12:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

chewbaccabjdonruss it is. HAHAAA!

I wonder what happened to those card companies(fleer, donruss, score, upper deck)? Did they go under? I remember I had the fleer 87 baseball set and at one point it was something like 300.00$(containing the all coveted Barry Bonds rookie card). I remember looking at a Beckett in the late 90's and seeing that the set clocked in at 19.99$ or something. Oh well...I guess I could have wasted my money on worse things. Like New Edition records.

Do you remeber how huge that shit was back in the late 80's? Jesus H.! Oh were 2 though. What was the big thing for kids in the late 90's? Magic the Gathering? Pokemon? Tomagotchi?

12:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't answer that. Man am I bored. :(

1:17 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

I've been riding this thread all day, I might as well.

In the late 90's I was obsessively collecting late 80's PC games like King's Quest. And playing Pokemon. Goddamn that game was fun. Oh, and pogs... but those were more mid-90's I guess.

2:48 AM  
Blogger Gray said...

Pogs. Shit yeah.

4:42 AM  
Anonymous mc said...


9:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's a good one! How about:




5:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Barry Bonds was a juicer all along. What a complete dickhole.

5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


6:10 PM  
Anonymous glass dick said...

what about me?

6:12 PM  
Anonymous real serious said...

ok... what about jagged pieces of metal?

you guys are just like those life guards at pools, nazis, plain and simple. I want to bring a forty. not some stupid 32 oz can. those slip out my hands too much, and I'm serious about this.

6:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No glass works for me. What about carrots soaked in blood?

6:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

will somebody please get me some creme grule before I fucking puke!

8:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

leave the glass in yr car--pour it into a plastic cup. simple as pie. we all like pie, right?

9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't wait for the show tomorrow night. Good job, SHQ.

9:31 PM  
Blogger TTXQ said...

The IP tracking could definitely be useful to some extent, but isn't it generally some of these people's comments that really get people discussing what they think is working and not working in their scene?

I think we're all aware that not everyone has the same tastes, and I'm personally glad that I come on here and people are willing to say that they don't enjoy everything everybody participates in.

Let me preface this by saying that this post is in no way in reference to the bands that played this show, as I have seen only one of them personally, but let's continue.

Just to use Denton artists as an example, because most of the time it seems that the propensity for taking chances in musical projects comes out of there, by no means is every musical venture I've witnessed a mind-blowing experience. But you might think that that's the case if you listen to the hype about town, or see the number of people that continue to support what they're doing.

For example, I love a good singer-songwriter, but I've attended some shows where the crowd stands goo-goo eyed at what I consider a hack, after I finally give into the hype and check some well-touted person out. After way too many whiskey and cokes I've consumed to tolerate my surroundings, I consider dumping one on him and stealing his guitar, but my better self prevails , and I just leave instead. But if I would have had a blog to drunkenly rail on when I got home, I probably would have.

Had I found said blog and voiced my opinion, to me, it should be allowed and noted by the fellow blog reader, but what takes it into another territory is when it is disagreed with and continuously commented on. We should all know that we are an antagonistic group of humans sometimes, and pushing someones' buttons, then awaiting their subsequent response, can really get us all going.

One solution for all of this might be that if everyone just ignored the opinion they disagreed with, that person might get bored and disappear. Or they might just act like that little child that needs attention and continuously says more outlandish stuff until one of us snaps and comes back at them. So let's be honest. We can't just sit back and let someone attack our favorite bands...our friends...can we? You're all, therefore, adding to the problem. Is it really that big of a problem?

SR, DL, and most recently, Lars, really give some of these guys/gals a run for their money. And in the process, a true discussion and rebuttal of what they deem as good art insues. Any jack-ass can say "Them fuckers are gay," but when a We Shot JR approved act is questioned with relatively valid grammar (though possibly stated in a jack-ass-ish way), plenty of people are there to take up the reigns and ask for further validation. Asking them to state what a "real musician" is obviously won't get them, but forcing every other potential blog commenter to really think about why they like what they like yields some great discussion in my mind. If everyone agreed on everything, I'd never visit this place again.

Sorry for the novel, but I've been saving up.

12:34 AM  
Blogger stonedranger said...

you make a good point concerning the fact that debate and disagreement can lead to solid discussions. Thats why we started this blog in the first place, and I hope that people will continue to use it for that purpose. However, the people I am talking about NEVER add ANYTHING to the discussion. Its three tools that just like to start shit, and every time I see those particular IP addresses next to a comment posting, the posting is always pointlessly mean, in addition to never being funny.

So I agree, this place would suck if it became an echo chamber, and if people really piss us off, we should try our best to ignore them. But it might also help to keep these three people in check if they're going to come on here and talk shit.

8:50 AM  
Blogger Lars said...

ttxq -- yeah, no, i totally agree. what i want is people arguing, challenging each other, and making bold, irresponsible statements. and all that, and all you're talking about can still happen if you require everyone to have a username. i don't care if people come and flame and talk shit; but a lot of the pointlessness is in large part due to the ability to leave unattributed comments. if everyone had a username, you can still post anonymously, whatever... but we'd be on a level field.

10:23 AM  

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