Thursday, November 13, 2008

It List: Thursday

AIDS Wolf/Teenage Cool Kids/Orange Coax/Secret Bangs (Club Dada): Aids Wolf once described themselves in an interview as "a little bit no wave and a little bit hardcore," and if you're searching for the most concise way to accurately describe their sound, that's probably as good as it gets. People often seem to throw out comparisons to Arab on Radar, Lightning Bolt and the Locust when describing Aids Wolf's music, and although these are all accurate on certain levels, you can also hear hints of a lot of other stuff in there as well-- everything from the Germs to Teenage Jesus and the Jerks to some of the most arresting moments of Sun Ra's output. Of course, none of these references really hit home when it comes to describing the totality of this band's thrashing, atonal attack, but instead provide some parameters for readers to imagine what some strange amalgamation of the aforementioned artists would sound like. I've read all kinds of different reviews on their latest record, Cities of Glass, and although it appears that some of these writers would completely disagree with me, I think it is the most accessible record of their careers. Do I mean to say that Club Dada's Wilco loving regulars will dig it? No way. But the record leans decidedly closer to the lil' bit hardcore side than I think the band ever has before, and the small doses of cohesive rhythm that seem to creep into the tracks as a result is really a pretty welcome development. Again, Aids Wolf sounds crazy as fuck, and could in no way be considered hardcore, but the little touches of 1st wave American are just right. Oh and by the way, I'm thrilled that I got the privilege of seeing Secret Bangs and Orange Coax last Friday at our part. Both were fantastic. And yeah yeah, I know Orange Coax is on our label, but fuck it: they put on one of the best local shows I've seen all year. You can choose not to believe me if you want, but don't cut off your nose to spite your face, ok?

80's Night with DJ G (Hailey's)


Anonymous ? said...

haha my review on the aids wolf blog?

take that, world. i did something in my underwear.

i guess they rule pretty hard. personally, i think they sound a bit like Coughs and Arab on Radar sexed up together.

5:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

borrrrrringngggg. aids wolf suck. i have no doubt in my mind that orange coax's set will be 1000 times better than aids wolf's.

5:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

true. orange coax rule.

5:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

orange coax is sax drums and vox? the myspace sounds like a crappy joke, arab on radar = aids wolf.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the myspace is a crappy joke? hahaha. you must have pretty fucking shitty taste in music, then. you're probably that dumbass that likes tool and other "real music".

6:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

no, the music on the orange coax myspace page hilariously bad.

liking them in spite of that doesn't make you cool, it makes you a person with bad taste.

6:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

chicks got no voice. why are irritating vocals so privileged around here? i mean seriously. not trying to be mean or talk shit.

6:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i hope no one is going for secret bangs. they might be disappointed.

6:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha oh my god i just listened to the shit on aids wolf's myspace page and that was the most ridiculously stupid shit i think i've ever heard. so very fucking stupid. seriously, what is the point of that shit. everyone go listen how terrible that shit is.

then i headed over to orange coax's myspace and holy fuck that is awful too. it sounds like a bunch of kids banging on toys randomly in a room. what the fuck?

fuck this blog if you people are actually that fucking narcissistic that you have to reach that far away from actually listenable music so you can feel unique and enlightened. holy fuck you people are retarded.

6:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i guess its kind of like that fruit Durian. It's suppose to be awful to get a reaction. Who knows man. I hope someone explains this to us. I really want to be educated on what people find amazing about this kind of irritating music.

6:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

see them live before you judge

6:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

see them live before you judge.
it might seem like noise, but its really art when they can duplicate their efforts in a live performance.

6:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

true i can agree its art. im not trying to judge with a narrow mind. im open to why this is respected among certain people. replicate it live? yeh thats a skill and thats respectable. art... thats understood. got anymore? again not trying to be mean or have ill will or judge incorrectly. i really want to know. im being open minded. thnx.

6:37 PM  
Anonymous celestial fucker said...

to the orange coax haters: some people simply have different music taste than you. is that so hard to comprehend? we're not being narcissistic or trying to be unique. we simply like their music.

6:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

its not hard to believe. i just want an explanation. thats all. nice cordial explanation for anyone who wants to explain. a simple "why do you like that kind of music" response. thats all. don't be so defensive.

6:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i mean anyone can give the same response of "some people have different music taste than you. is that so hard to comprehend" to the folks hating on tool around here. right? if that seems so immaterial to the actual reason why tool sucks around here than thats because it is. i don't like that explanation either. some details as to why some things suck and dont suck would work a lot better. a nice critique would work well too. maybe.

6:52 PM  
Anonymous jc said...

wait i'm confused. who is losing?

7:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well two rotten things happend today. Mitch Mitchell died at 62. And then I listened to Aids Wolf. It's enough to make me side with Max Nordau for the day.

7:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well two rotten things happend today. Mitch Mitchell died at 62. And then I listened to Aids Wolf. It's enough to make me side with Max Nordau for the day.

7:31 PM  
Anonymous celestial fucker said...

i personally, like orange coax 'cause they're a fun and energetic band. the sax/vox/drums setup makes for a cool sound, too. i also appreciate the complexity of it.

7:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

but you also appreciate the grating vocals right? and i dont mean that as a slight against coax. perhaps some of you all actually consider coax vocals as smooth and sultry. who knows.

7:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

laziness and lack of thought/composition does not equal complexity

8:07 PM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

laziness and lack of thought? Honestly, I don't give a fuck if you like the music or not, but anyone who has seen them perform one song and knows a damn thing about music will realize very quickly that their songwriting lacks neither one of those things.

8:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JC loses this one!!! Hooray for JC!!!

8:41 PM  
Anonymous chad said...

No one else is doing anything like Orange Coax at the moment. That's good enough for me.

Can't speak for the Myspace because I refuse to listen to music on Myspace but live it is pretty killer. It's arty with out being too pretentious. This is due in large part to the interaction the band has with the audience. The music is pretty caustic but the performance remains surprisingly inviting. No the sax doesn't sound like the dude from Dave Matthews band and the vocals are not "sultry" like Sade, but come on what are you doing reading this site if your mind isn't musically expanded.

Other unconventional but fantastic female front women:

Poly Styrene
Buffy St. Marie
June Carter
Dorothy Wiggin
Patti Smith

8:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh im interested in expanding my music horizons thats why im reading this site SR. so please don't try to equate someone who doesn't normally take an interested in grating vocals or music, with someone not interested in expanding oneself in the listening of music.

what is Coax doing that is so innovating SR? I respectfully ask you this question. I'm not trying to be argumentative. I want you to break that down for me please.

9:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry that was meant for chand....


"No one else is doing anything like Orange Coax at the moment"

no one else in DFW or the music world you know of? It would help if you could be more specific.

9:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

or chad. lol

9:08 PM  
Anonymous celestial fucker said...

definitely not in dfw. possibly no one else in the world. OC has obvious no wave influence and possibly math rock influence, but i haven't found one band or know of any band that has the same sound as them, really. you could say james chance and the contortions, lightning bolt, dna, or health or something, but none of those are really that similar to orange coax. zs might be a band that's somewhat similar sounding, but orange coax are a lot more spastic and have more of a punk/hardcore sound to them.

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I personally really enjoy grating annoying atonal caustic dissonant shit. and as for the joke comment, orange coax employs humor in their music for sure. They have an entire song that's a Degrassi reference. neither of the noisey bands tonight take themselves seriously at all for real.

9:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why do you enjoy grating annoying atonal caustic dissonant shit?

10:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1. irritating or unpleasant to people's feeling.
2.harsh, discordant, rasping

good pun form

The Magistrate grates geese

10:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't quite understand why people keep saying OC are so original. There have been a few bands from the west coast recently that have been doing similar things. For instance, Death Sentence Panda are quite similar to OC but better in my opinion. I like the Coax and everything but yeah.

10:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i don't get aids wolf OR orange coax. but i ain't gonna say they stupid neither. obvs i'm missing something though.
would like to know how to appreciate "noise" but i also have a bunch of sweet ass rock and roll music to enjoy. to each they own. carry on, carrion.

10:42 PM  
Anonymous yeahdef said...

poo poo is doo doo

11:09 PM  
Anonymous superbligged84 said...

geez. seriously? all this over orange coax? i really, really enjoy listening to adam and bobby play anything at anytime. they are fun and full of energy. i haven't listened to the myspace jamz but live they were a blast.

and 4:26, you're not the only one watching anthony bourdain. i don't think that's why all those indonesians are eating that (for an awful reaction.) it's cultural, homes.

11:22 PM  
Anonymous what can i say? it got bigger... said...

can anybody here just tell us exactly what any of these bands is writing/singing about?

you guys are always talking about how this blog is so much better than the others because of the "substance".

every one of the above posts are about style, not substance.

what kind of subject matter are we dealing with here?

12:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Orange Coax rules.
Aids Wolf=a cat meowing over Hella with more arm flailing.

1:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

orange coax are not noise

1:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

can anyone comment on the "why do you enjoy grating annoying atonal caustic shit" comment?


1:44 AM  
Anonymous orange jokes said...

if i could make our band sound like anything it would be flower travellin band or sparks , but instead all we can do is brown notes that weve cobbled together from our amateur playing capabilities.I apologize,we are not professionals . IF our shitty jazz band has inspired anything at least its this huge messageboard rant about the contents of our myspace.Thats the real joke here!!-hotdrummerboy69lol

2:00 AM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

I just love this shit. The innocent friendly dude bro who "just wants to know why you like this music, my man." Well guess what? I could sit here and explain to you why I like Orange Coax. I could talk about their talent, originality, and energy, and I could speak in great length on the history of the kind of music they play and why I think they stand out amongst similar artists at this point in time. I could talk about the reaction the music inspires in me, and blah blah blah. But you know what? When you just sit here and ask "why is this good" and "why do you like it," you are essentially asking for a fucking dissertation on music history. Why do you like what you like, jackass? Let me guess, "because I like real songwriting and melodies and blah blah blah." Cool. Good for you. But if I kept pressing you, "why is melody important," "how do you define songwriting," eventually you would basically have to explain music to me in general. And you know what? No one has the time or energy or desire to sit here and keep answering your stupid loaded questions.

If you really are as clueless as you act, then you should get a few books and learn a thing or two. But if you're trying to be cute, which is what I suspect, you aren't blowing anyone's mind and you aren't making any valid points. So go fuck yourself.

2:23 AM  
Anonymous 14th Gen idiots said...


i don't enjoy annoying atonal caustic shit. At all.

It's typical wanky, self-centered 14th Gen spooge... totally devoid of substance or meaning, completely derivative of other stuff that came many years before it.

Has anybody born after 1981 ever done anything original? Seriously. Just one example please. (And I'm not talking about something that you happen to like that only a few people know know about -- I'm talking about something that everybody recognizes as original and special.)

Judging by the comments section of this blog, you're clearly reppin' the 14th Gen.

The track record for those born before vs. after is pretty tragic:

Jungle Brothers vs. Jonas Brothers

Miles Davis vs. Miley Cyrus

Pink Floyd vs. Pink

Beck vs. Daron Beck on "American Idol"

Chuck Palahniuk's "Fight Club" vs. Fight Bite

Black Flag and Black Sabbath vs. Black Tie Dynasty

Real guitars vs. "Guitar Hero"

Joe Strummer vs. Joe the Plumber

Devo vs. Diplo

Spearhead vs. Britney Spears

Wu Tang Clan vs. Lil' Wil

Kildozer vs. The Killers

Teenage Fan Club vs. Teenage Cool Kids

We could do this all night. Somebody talk me down. Give us one 14th Gen artist or writer who is doing something that isn't totally style over substance.

3:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

haha i know you couldnt talk seriously about their originality. you're a load of shit SR. a load of shit. taking that stuff all defensively totally the wrong way.

but you know... thats just you. and i HATE melody. thanks for trying.

3:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh and i wasn't trying to make any valid points at all. just respectfully asking a few simple loaded questions. enjoy yourself you chicks pants wearing dude you!

3:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey actually ive talked to you before in your face and you never once talked to me back like that. and i told you some stupid fucked up shit to your face. maybe its because you don't know who i am online so you feel like all thug and shit. LOL

3:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

he feels thug! shorty wannna be a thug!

3:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i hate fuckin frat boys you anal cunt.

3:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dudes who talk shit online and never do it in person. too scared.

3:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FUCK ATONAL MUSIC! dont wear chix pants and go with the flow-mainstream! wear you're dans silver leaf pants!

3:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

3:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In a world of homogeny it is easy to admire the novel. Likewise, it is easy to vilify the unusual when the expense of novelty least in this case perhaps...substance. Substance isn't for everyone...and neither is novelty. At least there is room for both. You know, that would be fun to listen too.

3:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeh i know same line. same address. big deal. way to PI that bitch. go fuck yourself for trying, even in thought. i fuck myself in trying in thought 30 times a week. why i go to dan silver leaf and have we shot jr pussy shots at his chicks pants wearing parties

3:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i love we shot jr because i learn soo much about his elitist taste. he reminds me of gary coleman except a lot more white and less toliet paer at his house.

3:48 AM  
Anonymous derivative sharivative said...

If you're shit doesn't have substance, it's just a reason to jerk off your instrument in public.

that's not sayin' your songs have to be political or intellectually revelatory, they just need to be about something - ANYTHING.

when the beatles wrote "revolution" or "happiness is a warm gun", they were risking their freedom and security by having done so. when peter tosh wrote "legalize it" he became a target of the american fbi.
when nwa wrote "fuck tha police" they were obviously taking their lives in their own hands.

what do you fuckheads stand for anyway? anything? or is this whole thing just a reason for you to grow a beard and wear the same underwear for a month in a row?

3:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i think you misread 1:43

3:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i dunno. any 5 year old could've made the same noise, given a guitar and a drum set. give me pop punk any day, shoot

5:33 AM  
Anonymous Citizen Polack said...

For the record: None of the above were posted by me...Citizen Polack.

If "it" works "it" works; Melody, Musical-Ability, and Innovation are not requirements for good music. Though the first two are nice for MAKEOUT JAMS.

8:15 AM  
Anonymous Lydia said...

The Libertine Bar just started Local Music Mondays.

8:40 AM  
Anonymous Derek said...

you idiots...its all subjective...the best thing you can do is like what you like and not give a fuck if someone has different tastes. The only way you can learn to appreciate all types of music is to educate yourself. Once you get to the point where you have been saturated by melodies then you'll be ready to listen to "noise". I have only recently been able to appreciate "noise" because its what gets me off now. Music preference is natural. You develop it and it evolves on its own. If you have no frame of reference then you are not going to understand.

9:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

whoa! (joey lawrence)

10:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

someone is always going to be trying to ruin your fun. don't let'em!

10:14 AM  
Anonymous 7:58 to 8:19 said...

Dissonance reallys gets me off. It has for as long as I could play an instrument. There's something just totally fucking rad about ugly totally obnoxious beast noises to me. Also yeah OC is not a noise band they are "noisey" i was just sort of commenting on how the novelty of the instrumentation and song structure lends the music to be typified as pretentious faux intellectual jams. You know like the kind of guys who buy lucrate milk LP's on ebay for $100. lawlz jp boobcat

So uh yeah taste is subjective and it's impossible to use a logical argument for or against it.

Anyone actually want to comment on how the show went? I couldn't go.

10:15 AM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

When did all these Barley House regulars start posting on here?

10:22 AM  
Anonymous boy meets world said...

Lets just say aside from differences in taste, there is just a split in music and art all together. Dropping out of the marketing schemes,$15 club tickets,promoters,+21, and up,rockstar mentality, right there you start to explore other kinds of culture musically. I think of it as punk, wich to me is everything from amon duul, captain beefheart, and prog to rock in opposition wave, No wave, hardcore,now wave,anarcho,noise,. All very fucking relevant , yeah wilco has some well produced albums but you can listen to that anytime, but right now theres whole chunks of the past being flushed away this very moment by assholes trying to alienate us because we dont fit with their scheme. Trying to trivialize and deem all of us irrelevant. Basically fuck that! We have just as much stake in whats going on as you, thats a political statement in itself!

10:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cotton candy is so weird. it like disappears in your mouth

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Derek said...

When all the hipsters went to rehab and AA, desperately committed to someone, figured out that their half ass attempts at being musicians wouldn't work, and got a day job.

11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Much more like it. I like how the owner of this blog couldn't answer the questions addressed and needed a sedative on his last comment.

11:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so whats the conclusion? i need to make sure i know whats cool before i leave the computer for the weekend. Hey what are you wearing to the show?

11:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

derivivate sharivative at 1:53 totally shitted on SRs last comments and he/she wasn't trying to.

you go 1:53!!

11:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like hearing music anyone and their mother can make if they practiced for 2 minutes sometimes.

12:08 PM  
Anonymous Chad said...

"DFW or the world"

I meant Denton and from a live perspective.

"what do these shitheads have to say anyway"

What did Coltrane have to say? John Zorn? Monet? Antonio Gaudi? Just because someone doesn't clearly lay out their political/social agenda for you doesn't mean they don't have something to say. The performance had alot to say to me. I questioned whether or not it was music. Was I enjoying because I was told to enjoy. How were others reacting to it. By the end of the performance I came away with the feeling that my musical equilibrium had been tested and it felt good. I am a fan of pop music, that is pretty much all I listen to in my spare time. Orange Coax is probably not something I would come home and jam to after a long day at the office, but from a 20 minute performance I could not ask for more.

"get a day job"

I'm pretty sure they all have one. They perform because they enjoy to do it and it is fun. And I am sure there is a bit of ego involved too but that never hurt anybody. $$$ = successful musician? not in my book.

12:56 PM  
Anonymous Derek said...

Chad, I don't know who you, but you sound like a giant D and I don't like you.

1:09 PM  
Anonymous rage against the pachinko machine said...

Coltrane and Zorn both had implicit messages in their music -pushing the envelope of their respective genres. They were also gifted enough to pull it off. It could also be argued that the vast majority of the music listening public has never heard of either one of them.

as far as getting a day job, at least coltrane or zorn never had to. their audience was at least appreciative enough to buy their records, rather than steal them.

making money may not be a qualifier for your determination as to who is a successful musician, but you're crazy if you don't the overall quality of music as a whole hasn't suffered because the majority of musicians are unable to give their undivided attention to their craft.

1:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well this truly is funny. I was expecting more pretentious people citing their favorite No-Wave bands and seeing the influences in the bands mentioned, but instead people are whining like they've never even heard of the genre of "noise" music in their entire life. What fairy bullshit is this. I appreciate the fact that you would post your opinions, but they just make you sound ignorant and stupid. Yes this music isn't for everyone, but do you have to sound like a retard on top of it all?

I loved the show last night, AIDS Wolf are really great down to earth people who definitely know how to weird people out during a live show. And Orange Coax sounds like a perfect merging of Silver Daggers and Coughs, which sounds perfectly fine in my book. It's sad to see a lot of talent go over the heads of a lot of ignorant morons but it's also nothing new.

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

White people like plaid! I saw a lot of plaid and flannel shirts yesterday at the show

1:13 PM  
Anonymous Derek said...

Chad, I don't know who you, but you sound like a giant D and I don't like you.

1:18 PM  
Anonymous Derek said...

Chad, I don't know who you, but you sound like a giant D and I don't like you.

1:25 PM  
Anonymous Derek said...

jk jk

1:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

james dean rode his harley right into a ditch

1:50 PM  
Anonymous Post-mordem modernity said...

If I make any language errors, I apologize. WSJR doesn't allow me to paste this into a word processor prior to sending.

If you are a musician, hopefully there comes a time when you stop listening to other music and start listening to your music. Therin lies timelessness. There are timeless things in all mediums.

If you are out making cases for OC are you not just another critic? Perhaps, rather than being a listener or musician, one should just pursue music criticism. WSJR obviously got its start that way. And they have proven fine at their craft.

I've realized that the musical resources of today are a direct reflection of a musical culture that is, simply, keeping up with appearances. If I was unable to bleed the calf of collectors' online catalogues, would I really have a discusive connection to any of the new music I hear? Conversely, it is these same resources that allow people of ingenuity and talent to collectively create what, essentially, is some languaging of various structual constitutions; and like a ferel child can be taught to build but not to speak, one employs these various structual constitutions into, what amounts as, the lumpy orgasism. The youth's wet dream is the continuation of their memnetic systems coupled with a cleverness that fruits only the facade of doing something important to amuse yourself and justify that you do, actually exist.

The speed of suck is about 2 years and, guys, you are not getting any younger. If you a fight bite type band, bravo. What an amazing model of the aforementioned. Let me jump into your pants and reach for that healthy cock. If you are one of Pete's pets, or a fan of Brent Best, let me dive off the highdive and arrive head first betwixed you're sweaty cheeks. No one in DFW is doing anything remotely close to a masterwork and that is my marker for talent. When I can go online and find the complete tellus cassette publications from the early 80s, I think of all the grand narrative middle-fingers that are represented. Most of you dips don't even know what the grand-narrative is. It builds in me a fire-visual resembling the cover of Wish You Were Here. A million points of light or a million little pieces. Another camero cut band like Faux Fox or an innovator like Art Tatum. I suppose real genius isn't something that can be attained. It is only witnessed. What a museum piece. I kinda' hate that. That's why I was in accord with Duchamp--back in the day that I read that book. But, c'mon. . . . Commodification is everything to your backdoor resultant inconspicuousness. Look, listen, buy. To be sure, your effeteness is breathtaking; your efforts are resultant of what had been written on and left to recurse since the age of Enlightenment. I can garner more worth from a still-born than 99.9% of the popular music I've heard in my life. Boo hoo.

2:01 PM  
Anonymous 14 Gen idiots said...

Still waiting for anyone to come up with a single artist born after 1981 who is doing something that is without obvious derivation.

Same goes for critics of that age, too. Is it possible for you to write something that isn't some variation of "well, if you crossed x with y, and then added z..."

Please. Prove to us that you have a fucking brain of your own. And convince us that what you're doing is REAL, and not some ripped-off concept from somebody else.

2:50 PM  
Anonymous everyone's thinking it said...

it's almost 3 pm and i don't know what to do tonight

oh wsjr

tell me how to live my life

2:59 PM  
Anonymous chad said...

Hey if you are looking for something to do you I'm DJing a house party on Jagoe tonight. You should come, especially Derek! But not Post-Modern BS guy cause you are lame-o.

3:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow, 1201. thats good training for a nap-a-thon.

3:22 PM  
Anonymous To 11:12 said...

Who gives a fuck if AidsWolf are down-to-earth people? why the fuck does that matter? they aren't anything special... fucking terrible, if you ask me. absolutely atrocious. Pure gimmicky bullshit. Melt Banana and The Locust did it much better a long time ago..

and as far as Orange Coax goes, here we go again with "they sound like a perfect merging of x and y..."

no, a perfect merging would be if those two bands actually got together and made music. you're a lazy fuck for not articulating why OC is original or inventive.

3:30 PM  
Anonymous exclusion delusion said...

Hey guys I'm Chad. Am I joking or a fucking joke--you decide. Our Princely Uncircumsized Inverted Vestibules have a taste for razors, I am ready. Besides, you won't talk to me since____left and for that I think that you sir are a Fucking lap dog.

3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Instead of talking about why OC is original we should talk about why old fags like 1201 are lame-os

3:35 PM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

wow. so many dumbasses on here today i can't take it anymore. what the fuck is the 14th generation? are you that Tom whatever guy that always blabs about "Post-band" music or whatever? You do realize that you are not influencing ANYONE on here right? We'll continue to be smart and cool and you can continue to be ignorant and unimportant. Sound good?

3:35 PM  
Anonymous shane said...

what's wrong with being derivative?

i think people right now are too concerned with creating something that is COMPLETELY new.

3:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

at 14 Gen idiots:

i think james ferraro's many projects (that were posted a few posts back from this one) are something that is pretty fucking original. i've never heard anything like some of his stuff. obviously, it's derivative of some things like pop and psychedelic music, but everything has to come from somewhere/something else, right?

4:04 PM  
Anonymous This is silly said...

"We'll continue to be smart and cool and you can continue to be ignorant and unimportant."

Wow. That is most ignorant uncool thing I've heard all day. That's not the dude I'll be getting my news from.

4:06 PM  
Anonymous bms said...

what if you had a penis that was made of cotton candy? man that would suck to get head :(

4:14 PM  
Anonymous atchley said...


4:17 PM  
Anonymous Derek said...

I think we should all go see Of Montreal tonight and we can do some poppers and play four square together.

4:23 PM  
Anonymous Derek said...

I think we should all go see Of Montreal tonight and we can do some poppers and play four square together.

4:26 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

I agree with 14th gen. It's almost (ALMOST) impossible to create something completely new and fresh in this day and age. Even if it isn't suitable to your own personal tastes, you have to respect those in bands like aids wolf and oc for trying and at least having fucking fun while they are doing it. It's like this friend of mine who took some pictures of condensation on a beer glass and insisted he had come up with a new art medium, when in fact it was just abstract photography. Although he took some interesting shots, on the whole it was nothing new.

As for the person asking SR all the "explain to me..." questions and trying to make him look stupid, great job. Not only did he make you look like a fucking idiot by giving you a perfectly reasonable answer to your incessant nagging, all you had to say in response was that, "you took it defensively and in the wrong way! Tee hee! Gotcha!" And then you called him a load of shit. You win the biggest fuckface of all time award for today. I hope I don't know you personally because I'm going to feel bad having to say this to you again.

I'm going back to lurking. MAKEOUT JAMS! CHICK PANTS!

4:33 PM  
Anonymous Derek said...

I get called a lurker at work..

5:07 PM  
Anonymous jeez, stone dranger said...

how revealing that SR pretends not to know what the 14th Gen is and his whole fucking blog is aimed at that particular demographic.

the 14th generation are people born between 1981-2001. typical 14th Gen behavior reveals a lack of originality, along with the conflicted dynamic of being an attention whore while cloaking it all in this empty aspiration to anonymity.

you're the fucking mascot, stoney.

"Like many their age, these sodden youths habitually sneer at adults, ridicule most emotions, and twist themselves in ever-tighters circles of egomania."
- Donna Tartt

"I'm on the guest list for this show, but I'm so badass I'm not even going."

5:07 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

I agree with 14th gen. It's almost (ALMOST) impossible to create something completely new and fresh in this day and age. Even if it isn't suitable to your own personal tastes, you have to respect those in bands like aids wolf and oc for trying and at least having fucking fun while they are doing it. It's like this friend of mine who took some pictures of condensation on a beer glass and insisted he had come up with a new art medium, when in fact it was just abstract photography. Although he took some interesting shots, on the whole it was nothing new.

As for the person asking SR all the "explain to me..." questions and trying to make him look stupid, great job. Not only did he make you look like a fucking idiot by giving you a perfectly reasonable answer to your incessant nagging, all you had to say in response was that, "you took it defensively and in the wrong way! Tee hee! Gotcha!" And then you called him a load of shit. You win the biggest fuckface of all time award for today. I hope I don't know you personally because I'm going to feel bad having to say this to you again.

I'm going back to lurking. MAKEOUT JAMS! CHICK PANTS!

5:07 PM  
Anonymous No Brainer said...

much like your friend who thought he invented a new style of photography, I've seen mongoloid idiots on these comments threads saying stuff like, "other papers and blogs in this town have copied WSJ's Weekender"...

please. are they serious? no paper or blog ever thought to compile a listing of upcoming events before a weekend? delusional fucks.

5:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

shane nothing wrong with being derivative. but if someones said to not be doing something derivative and someone asks what that is and no one can explain it... then we have a problem.

5:48 PM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

320-- we actually ARE the first people who have ever thought to do that. Don't you know shit about shit? Look it up in your blog history books, moron.

5:53 PM  
Anonymous chriso))) said...

You know who's done some original shit?


5:58 PM  
Anonymous bms said...

WSJR also came up with the concept of slicing bread, which made sandwiches possible. thank you WSJR!

6:00 PM  
Anonymous to 3:53 said...

you're kidding, right?

that's like somebody at the observer claiming they came up with the idea of reviewing films.

fucking delusional and preposterous.

6:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so caught up in his own smug and pretentious outfit he thinks he invented sliced bread too.

6:44 PM  
Anonymous TO 1:30 PM said...

Jesus H. Christ, calm down. Why is AIDS Wolf gimmicky? I don't see that at all. If their gimmick is putting on a hell of a live show, then yes I do see that, but I really think you should stop leading your opinion dick up the ass of the fact that just because YOU don't like them, doesn't make you some authoritative commentator on what is good or bad.

Now for your Orange Coax question. I never said they were original or inventive, they are a talented rock band. I suppose all of the music you listen to is 100% original bullshit. You've probably never even heard of either Silver Daggers or Coughs to even articulate what I was saying. Every musician is influenced by something, I don't care if its the beatles, sonic youth, or the sound of your balls being kicked by my fin. Fuck you for being such a prick, and fuck you for provoking me to type this, you assclown.

7:35 PM  
Anonymous the scene at sack n save said...

gimmicky = more style than substance

what are their lyrics about? do you even know? AIDS Wolf is another xerox of a xerox of a xerox of a xerox of something that wasn't even interesting in the first place. kiss put on a hell of a live show too. their music was terrible.

this blog is supposed to be about substance, right?

and it takes more than just talent to make a band like OC relevant. lots of bands have talent but still suck. why do they matter again? just because they're the latest gaggle of hipster twats to stand in the corner and bleat out some mindless bullshit at a denton keg party?

fuck you asshole.

7:52 PM  
Anonymous careerview mirror said...

From the AIDS Wolf press bio: "AIDS Wolf embraces the hate. Their songs speak to the terminally alienated, the relentlessly negative, the inherently repugnant."

Which seems like a perfect fit for the current zeitgeist of our country right now; you know, with the new president, the aspiration of hope and change, the whole unity thing.

and they're from Canada? sheesh. what the fuck do they have to be negative about?

just more proof that it's gimmicky, pointless dog shit.

fuck you, fuck your beard, and fuck anybody dumb enough to buy into it.

8:13 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

To no brainer-

My friend actually thought he came up with a new way of creating art itself, and I had to explain to him that no, what he did was take a picture, and that is photography. He didn't create the photograph, some French dude did back in the 1800s.

As a "14th generation" or whatever member myself, I have from time to time a crisis of both conscience and ego over how I feel my generation really hasn't contributed much to society. I talk to my parents all the time about this. Whereas they have lived through so much socially, economically, and artistically, I personally can only recall a few history defining moments of my lifetime: fall of the berlin wall, grunge (which more or less is a specific stylized form of rock), sept. 11th, and the first black president. Most art, music today is just a reimagining (I hate the word derivative after reading the comments to this post) of something someone else has done. Some do it more poorly than others. And I'm not trying to knock on anyone or anything, be it this blog or any of the bands

8:15 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

To no brainer-

My friend actually thought he came up with a new way of creating art itself, and I had to explain to him that no, what he did was take a picture, and that is photography. He didn't create the photograph, some French dude did back in the 1800s.

As a "14th generation" or whatever member myself, I have from time to time a crisis of both conscience and ego over how I feel my generation really hasn't contributed much to society. I talk to my parents all the time about this. Whereas they have lived through so much socially, economically, and artistically, I personally can only recall a few history defining moments of my lifetime: fall of the berlin wall, grunge (which more or less is a specific stylized form of rock), sept. 11th, and the first black president. Most art, music today is just a reimagining (I hate the word derivative after reading the comments to this post) of something someone else has done. Some do it more poorly than others. On the question of substance versus style, who gives a shit? I'm sure there is a common ground between the two that most people can find agreeable.

I probably posted this twice. Fuck you tiny keys on this phone.

8:24 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

Awwww fuuuuck it.

8:32 PM  
Anonymous 14th Gen idiots said...

Not all 14th Gen kids are idiots. Mofreak, at least you're aware of the fact that your generation is still struggling to find an identity.

The first Black President is a 13th Gen'er, not 14th... but I will give you guys credit for recognizing his intellect and initiative, and getting out there and voting... which is more than I can say for a lot of the 13th Gen'ers who had the same chance in the past and blew it. Grunge artists were 13th Gen'ers too.

As far as the Berlin Wall goes, the term "13th or 14th generation" is directly related to Americans. 12th gen'ers were the Baby Boomers. 13G is the largest generation in the history of the country. 14G are the ones who live to play an X-Box, who shop at Hot Topic or Urban Outfitters, and have little or no idea how to criticize a creative work of art without referencing other pre-existing work of art as a qualifier.

8:49 PM  
Anonymous Gen X'er said...

I think the 14th Generation is better known as better known as "Gen Y".

The "Baby on Board" generation. If they're not texting, they're taking pictures of themselves or drinking beer in a WalMart parking lot.

9:16 PM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

God this shit is so fucking boring. It's like trying to explain molecular biology to a 5th grade science class.

9:30 PM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

PS, I'm thinking about not letting old people comment on here anymore.

9:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

just not that old person. claimings to be "interested in expanding my musical horizons" and going off on "tell me why it is good" is getting older than me. You don't feel noise or atonal music but you feel Miles Davis? I don't think you do so please tell me why? All you have to check out is the bands in the versus post to see you need to take baby steps in this quest for expanding your musical horizons.

9:45 PM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

I'm just kidding. I heart most old people... just not these fucking Toadies fans that come on here once a month and try to be smart.

10:04 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

I meant what has happened during the time period you listed at being a gen y-er or 14th whatever. I'm not claiming that we had any input into their fruition, but you get the deal.

10:06 PM  
Anonymous Toadies fan? uh... what? said...

Right. Let's get the normal everyday conversation here back on track:

I just farted.

10:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

have you ever farted and then shit in your pants?

10:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

one time i farted and it sounded just like an AIDS Wolf song.

10:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why don't you guys hate on The Killers and Wolfmother who are a million times more unoriginal and gimmicky than AIDS Wolf. At least AIDS Wolf and Orange Coax's influences are a million times more awesome than the aforementioned bands. Oh and fuck relevance and fuck you, where is your original relevant band? ...that's what I thought.

10:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

my farts are really atonal and dissonant.

10:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Killers and Wolfmother are atrocious.

But their farts smell supreme.

10:23 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks folks, they'll be here all week...

be sure to tip your waitress......................

10:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you should have been there at dan's that night when fight bite farted into an sampler. you could smell it coming through the speakers.

10:25 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

I meant what has happened during the time period you listed at being a gen y-er or 14th whatever. I'm not claiming that we had any input into their fruition, but you get the deal.

10:54 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

I farted so loud one time while I was sleeping that it woke me up and scared the piss out of me at the same time.

Going back to lurk mode, fo reals.

10:56 PM  
Anonymous to 8:21 said...

there are no original or relevant bands left. that's my point.

you midgets can run a whole blog based on the phony idea that there still is, but nobody here can name even one. you got nothin'.

now go comb the gnats out of your beard, grab a Schlitz, and crank up your Ghostbuster CDR.

11:01 PM  
Anonymous thank god i was born in 1980 said...

i liked orange coax a lot better when they were from san fran and called 'ettrick'.

12:22 AM  
Anonymous ny times publicity stunta said...

how come whenever you take a dump you always look down into the toilet to see what just came out?

because it's a new part of you that you've never seen before.

and then just like that... gone.

like every band who ever came from denton.

1:41 AM  
Anonymous kid crotch said...

i wonder who has a bigger cock... tripod watson or coin purse collins?

1:54 AM  
Anonymous Lysol said...

"From now on you sit down when you pee!"

2:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hahaahah remember than one time when OC was NOTHING AT ALL like ettrick? seriously dude maybe you should actually listen to bands before you make totally re-re comparisons and sound like a smug ignorant jackass.

Unless you were making a joke, then good jobvwvthatvirony

3:02 AM  
Anonymous season in hell said...

yes, i suppose you're right, you fucking spaz.

in fact, ETTRICK did it better.

5:19 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

mofreak=stoned ragners butt buddy. fuck toadies and fuck old people and fuck miles davis and fuck atonal music. none of you can guess for shit. keep on sucking at the assumptions. funny science class.

11:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

still cant name anything original about coax! you can say they are original but you can't explain it. hollow blog. ettrick up your ass.

11:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


11:26 AM  
Anonymous to 7:30 said...

you give these people too much credit.

5th graders are WAY past "I jut farted".

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5:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:20, it's called a shart. newbie...

5:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

is this where the stupid people come to talk about idiotic shit?

i'm in!

6:20 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

mofreak! = doesn't like butts. Or ragners, whatever the fuck those are. I'm more of a tits and hair kind of girl. All style, no substance, right?

Yay! You guys are so much fun!

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

have you ever taken a shit while bangin' a bitch?

it's something else.

7:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

alllllllllllllllllllrighty then...

9:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it's called "space docking"... when you shit in a bitch's pussy

12:28 AM  
Anonymous to 3:19 said...

"Did it better"
Do Apples do it better than broccoli?
Really? Stylistically You are comparing these two bands? Also, implying that the latter is wholly derivative of the former? Fess up brah, you said something straight up ignorant.

Not saying OC isn't "derivative" of something but ettrick? nah man.
Am I petty and way fucking lame for going on about this. Fuck yeah.

3:14 AM  
Anonymous kyle said...

mofreak as takes everything very literal. Fuck you SR sidekick. You are extremely transparent with your deeptroating on SRS dick.

2:59 PM  
Anonymous kyle said...

And to this point no one and i mean NO ONE... has ever been able to explain how coax isn't derivative or is totally something original. So i wish you all lame asses would stop bringing that point up. If you can't back your shit up then quit your yapping.

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

kill yourself, already

3:55 PM  
Anonymous defensive listening said...

Don't ever buy into propaganda that summarizes your entire generation, only so it can be quickly referenced in Newsweek or by Jeff Liles.

That being said, give me "14th Gen" any day. They can usually understand basic aesthetic principles, history etc. without having to stop and ask, "Gee. That's weird. Why do people like that?" Comments in this regard reflect the same understanding of the world as a puppy hiding from a loud vacuum cleaner. That's funny. I find you funny. But being this clueless is nothing to be proud of. You should probably think before you type comments admitting how uninformed you are. So unbecoming.

Obviously, there is a bit of a culture clash caused by We Shot JR. Some casual music fans might have read about it in D or The Observer, decided to have a read, and were horrified by the fact that it wasn't a by-the-numbers "support local music" website. I'm sure that some of you think we have horrible taste, and that only confirms my opinions. I would be really worried if I found myself suddenly agreeing with people who try to make me understand what John Zorn REALLY meant when he was releasing way too many records in the late '80's. Who cares what he meant? A lot of that stuff sucked. And to whomever keeps bringing up how rappers put their lives on the line by saying the things that they did, well I do agree with that. However rap was also used to sell beauty products and to tell kids to not do drugs during the Reagan Administration. One of the great things about noise music, is that it generally has not been used for these consumer-driven or dogmatic purposes. It still pisses people off, or incites a reaction, and that's relevant, but it also doesn't matter. Not every artistic expression needs to be so heavy-handed. Even as a rap fan, I have to admit that it is much less offensive to people than it used to be, and generally pisses off my dad. Wow. Screw was kind of the last great, daring entry from the rap/hip-hop underground, but even that has gone very mainstream.

You don't have to attach anything political or historical to noise, it can simply exist on its own merits. It's really cheesy to try to attach "significance" to everything. Who are you, fucking Bono? Some people just like extremes when it comes to sound. Who cares?

Why I find most interesting is that Orange Coax and even AIDS Wolf really aren't "noise," and then there's the inevitable input from serious noise fans telling you as much. Orange Coax and Aids Wolf both have a lot of structure, believe it or not, and therefore don't quite qualify. Comparing Ettrick to Orange Coax is really pointless. Obviously Ettrick is going for something much darker and metal-influenced.

Nobody listens to music simply because it's original. Who would want to hang out with someone like that? The fact that so many people are wasting time trying to figure out why Orange Coax is "horrible" or "original," says a lot about the music they make. It helps to take the time to appreciate the subtle differences between different groups in a genre. If people compare you to The Coughs or Death Sentence Panda, well, that's not exactly an insult. Better than being compared to Sparta, The White Stripes, Radiohead, or any other sort of lifeless, commercial music.

There is more than one type of architecture in the world, thank goodness. Different types of architecture still require practice and discipline. Guess what else takes a lot of practice and discipline? Destroying that very architecture soundly, and with convincing force. Both areas of study, architecture and destruction of architecture, have fascinated and impressed human beings for centuries. My best advice to you head-scratchers: Get used to it.

5:59 PM  
Anonymous 2 u df said...

wanna smash defensive listening?

9:28 PM  
Anonymous wanna smash defensive listening? said...

2 u df

9:30 PM  
Anonymous maths said...

sax and drums = ettrick
clarinet and drums=death sentence panda
bass and drums =lightning bolt
guitar and drums=radiohead
acoustic guitar=bobby dylan
thats it , anyone else performing in the configurations mentioned above is a clone and should be destroyed! music is over, call it a day. fuck girl pants and beards, im 35,clean shaven,namedrop sonic youth to state how wild and underground i am and im wearing jncos with the knees torn out and im cool as shit so fuck you! hipsters complaing about hipsters is hilarious. Im a juggalo for life, long hair dont care!

9:54 PM  
Anonymous Liles said...

DL, you do realize that you prefaced your last comment with "don't buy into the propaganda that summarizes your entire generation, etc."... and then spent five paragraphs spewing your own propaganda about what you WISH was the absolute truth about said generation.

"They can usually understand basic aesthetic principles, history, etc... without having to stop and ask 'Gee, that's weird, why do people like that?"

Please. Gen Y wouldn't EVEN know what to make of ANY artist who didn't have the adherent batch of logos or labels attached which are (apparently) necessary to tell them just exactly what to think. How many of the reviews on WSJR are qualified by the fact "x band is on this label"?

Now you're playing both sides of the table; also pretending to be a record label when you're really just another logo, just a territorial brand on the ass of another "downer" cow at the fading slaughterhouse that used to be the music business.

You're not in this to make money, you're in it to tell people what to think, to tell them what they should and shouldn't like. Just admit it. It ain't a public service, because the public could really care less. No disrespect, but if you actually sell (and collect on) a thousand pieces, I'll eat my shoes. It's all about territorial pissing for you. "Oh, we discovered this band," or "Oh, we came up with the idea of doing a weekend preview."

Please. Are you serious? NOBODY GIVES A SHIT EXCEPT YOU.

Record labels have real staffs. Artists, talent scouts, publicists, product managers, accountants, sales reps, etc... there are myriad responsibilities involved in the actual profiling and marketing of an artist to the public. You guys are pushing a dead format (7" vinyl) to an audience of mere dozens. Why? Because, as evidenced by the very existence of this blog, you feel the need to tell the other people in your peer group just exactly what YOU think they need to consume.

That isn't a label, it's a logo. A brand. And a very weak one at that.

Sure, there are a few Gen Y artists who are creating interesting new music, but obviously nobody out there gives a shit. At least not enough to justify their existence around here. During there early 90's there were at least a dozen bands from here in DFW who could draw at 800 people to every single one of their shows.

Now? Not one... which means no 800 seat venues, which, in turn, means no music scene. In Dallas or Denton.

So, yeah, DL. Keep defending this generation who think that "I just farted" is a form of "aesthetic principle", and I'll keep writing about music that actually changed people's lives. I don't care if you think I'm living in the past. The past was far more interesting and important than anything new I've heard in the last 20 years - that includes the good and the bad.

I wish you guys the best. It's been years since a truly transcendental figure has had any real significance in music and popular culture (and I ain't talkin' U2, either.) We could use another Bob Marley or John Lennon or Woody Guthrie or Bob Dylan... somebody who actually stands for something other than a fucking logo. In the same way Barack Obama has transcended and redefined politics, it would be great to a recording artist come along and do the same thing.

Somehow, I don't see or hear that happening.

Right now, I see a lot of kids standing around texting each other, pointing cell phone cameras at the stage and getting into shit like "Guitar Hero" and "American Idol". These people aren't moving at all in the right direction aesthetically.

Do you really think you are helping them by lying to them and telling them they are on the right track?

Is it really worth all that just to try and make a name for yourself and WSJR?

12:15 AM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

I love how this is all coming from a middle aged never was who looks like the bass player from Korn.

12:28 AM  
Anonymous defensive listening said...

I don't have time to respond to all of these Entertainment Weekly takes on the history of music, but I will say this:

1. My so-called take on "Gen Y" or whatever it is, is based on a lot of healthy experiences with people younger than myself and a lot of BAD experiences with people your age, or even my age really. The great thing about dealing with 21 year-olds is that I don't have to hear about the 90's all the time.

2. Labels actually mean less and less. I know that. But I'm a big fan and collector, and I, by no means, see it as a negative thing if anybody wants to try to put out music. This is actually not the first time I've done in this in my life by the way. I've been putting out records...since the 90's. Whoa dude, remember the 90's? It ruled. I can't believe what my profit margins were back then.

3. I could care less about "discovering" anything. I have always just wondered why some things are ignored, whether it be bands I think are better than the established Dallas acts or a house venue being a more enjoyable experience than Trees ever was.

4. The labels I am inspired by are not the corporations you're describing. Again, the only problem here is that you're describing a corporate consumer culture that I have spent most of my life ignoring. I'm sorry that a small label putting out limited runs offends you. You should really pick your battles.

12:35 AM  
Anonymous Liles said...

Jeez, SR. That's really all you got? You don't even know me. I've been in bed with 101 fever and an ungodly migraine for the last week and I still tried to address your issues without attacking you personally. Of course, since you feel the need to hide behind a screen name, I guess it's safe to assume there's really nothing there to attack. (Or worse, something really, really embarrassing... but that's neither here nor there.)

DL, you just sound like Wooderson from "Dazed and Confused".

Bob Marley, John Lennon, Woody Guthrie and Bob Dylan had nothing to do with the 90's and were NOT motivated by corporate consumer culture. If you knew anything about anything you'd admit this.

I saw exactly how Gen Y does it's thing when I was asked to perform on the Warped Tour last summer. In every single city it was the same thing: 17,000 teenage sheep wandering around looking lost, getting into terrible music, plastering every available inch of their bodies with logos of every "youth-oriented" product you can imagine.

It was, by far, the most miserable two months of my life. I lost all hope I had for people your age - especially when I heard it was the highest-grossing tour of the year.

The fact you're started a "label" doesn't offend me, it amuses me. It's kinda like me saying I'm gonna start a pro basketball team... only without a league, uniforms, equipment, a place to play, or any fans.

Oh, and SR, one of the best musicians to ever come from Denton is playing keyboards in Korn now. He's making a living playing music full time. You're not. You're a hobbyist.


Hobbyist writer, hobbyist record label owner, full time wannabe.

1:20 AM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

I also collect coins.

1:27 AM  
Anonymous Liles said...

Good. Now you can buy one of your labels records.

1:35 AM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

It would have been funnier if you would have said something like "cool, now you can use some of those coins to buy the first record your label has ever sold" or "I bet you'd make more money off your coin collection than your blog" or whatever.

1:48 AM  
Anonymous born in 87 said...

Ewww dude! I'll give you the benefit of a doubt with that fever.

"admit that popular important songwriters active at different times had nothing to do with the 90's or consumer culture"


Sorry! Out of context, but I think you're just bein' all negative at some dudes who just want to press some records.
There aren't prolific awesome unifying songwriters with great messages anymore. Sure. Most of the time there aren't? Also maybe we romanticize the popularity and importance of the artists in our memory? And REALLY what did these artists do?

1:50 AM  
Anonymous out of touch said...

saw exactly how Gen Y does it's thing when I was asked to perform on the Warped Tour last summer.hahahah,that was the best shit ive ever read on this blog!

2:32 AM  
Anonymous Liles said...


I wouldn't say that I romanticize the popularity or importance of the artists in my memory; at least not as much as I wish someone new would come along and set the world on its ear.

But I think we all know now that ain't gonna happen. Who was the last one? NWA? Public Enemy?

You ask what did these artists did... Well, the truly transformative ones each did different things. It could have been Neil Young singing about Kent St. in "Ohio" a week after it happened. It could have been Bob Marley bringing together the heads of warring political parties in Jamaica. Maybe John Lennon or Bob Dylan leading anti-war protests. The shit mattered. It was important.

And whatever it was, it moved people everywhere to tears.

And that's what I think SR and DL are ultimately afraid of - having to actually FEEL SOMETHING. We don't wanna go there, right? Just keep it simple, stupid. Keep it gimmicky and superficial. Drunk and dumb. We wouldn't make or promote any music that actually STANDS FOR SOMETHING.

God forbid.

No wonder they call Gen Y the "Baby On Board" generation. Christ. Snap out of it already!

It ain't art just because you say it is. If you're kid and just out to have fun, fine. Go for it.

Just call it what it is... a hobby.

3:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

that's a really shitty thing to say, that they don't want to feel something? you think they do this to be cool? if they were, it wouldn't be anonymous. i think they do it because they DO care about music.
as for orange coax, they pretty much rule. they really have their own unique sound but if i had to liken them to anyone i'd say maximum joy and essential logic could be influences.

9:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liles, tell me what Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians accomplished? Oh wait, they played for crowds of 800 people! Rev. Horton Heat only influenced how people in this area wear their sideburns. With maybe an exception or two, no local musician from the 90s has done anything of importance unless you count playing keyboards for Korn as something important and apparently you do.

I just don't see how you can write nostalgic pieces about Dead Kennedys and the Sex Pistols, then insult people who are trying to start their own label. Using your own money to press the records of bands you like seems pretty punk rock to me. But i guess i don't know what punk rock is because I didn't agree to be a part of the corporate sponsored Warped Tour.

You really should stick to the Observer where you're like the Garrison Keillor of that set but only more boring. Remember when you hated Pete Freedman and harassed him after every one of his posts? Now you work for that fucking idiot who's half your age and knows even less about music than the other observer writers. How punk rock--yeah, man, fuck shit up from the inside. Just keep telling yourself that's what you're doing.

10:26 AM  
Anonymous defensive listening said...


I just don't think we are even discussing the same thing, so it's almost pointless to argue. My experience with younger people is usually with a crowd that is much too smart and are of taste that would prevent them from ever attending Warped Tour, much as I ignored it when I was 15. Again, you have named some disgusting marketing ploy masquerading as music to try to summarize a position. As much as I would like to consider your argument, you must find somewhat more relevant examples.

The fact that you keep bringing up Marley, Dylan, Lennon etc. speaks mostly of someone who thinks the only people who matter are those that sell millions of records. By that logic, we would also have to consider N*Sync and The Jonas Brothers as very relevant. As for Dylan, and I like Dylan, I was reminded of one of my favorite paragraphs from a book I read that predicted the entire restructuring of the music business from the bottom up, years before it really happened. Anyways, there is an entire chapter on David Geffen, who explains his position about 60's idealism and Dylan:

Geffen was bored my attempts to discuss money and art in rock. When I asked him if he thought there ever was any social or political meaning to rock-whether the artists were ever motivated by ideals, rather than by money-he said, "That was a lot of bullshit then, and it is now. It isn't that different. Most of the artists were trying to make a living, trying to get laid, trying to figure out who they were. They weren't trying to change the world. That's what other people put on them. I knew all those people. I knew them all intimately and well. Bob Dylan. I would say that Bob Dylan is as interested in money as any person I've known my whole life. That's just the truth."

So, sorry Jeff. If Dylan doing a Victoria's Secret commercial and the 80's yuppification of the 60's generation isn't enough to convince you that most corporate music revolutionaries are mostly fabricated media entities, then I don't know what to tell you.

I stand for a lot of things, actually. We try not to be so heavy handed as to constantly spell out what we stand for. Preaching is boring. I will say that some of the things I stand for are making it a lot harder for nostalgic bullies like yourself to completely write off the efforts and accomplishments of people my age, and much younger, simply because they don't buy into your boring watered down version of music history that excludes Michael Zilkha, Pen Rollings, Corey Rusk, Bob Last, Chris Dodge, and Kate Korris. Since you like to name-drop so much, I thought do a little of my own thanks. I believe you can find all those people on Wikipedia, so check it out. If your list of people who matter doesn't and won't ever include any of these people, we just aren't every going to see eye-to-eye. And that's fine.

Nobody ever said this wasn't a hobby. And nobody ever said we were trying to be some big-time label. I mean, we just started it. Give us a break. If it is simply a hobby (the site and the label) and nothing more, I will say that it's a hobby that has worked out much better than we imagined so far, and I think you're a hypocrite for acting like this site is nothing but negative idiots, and now you're wasting a lot of precious time trying to tear our label project down, and coming off like a negative idiot yourself. For someone who writes so much, and has seen so much, I'm sure you can do better than that. Can't you?

11:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh liles, i feel sorry for you.
if you think vinyl, specifically 7" vinyl, is a dead format you're missing out on how amazing music sounds when it's not played on an ipod or a remastered cd.

i know what you look like and i've never seen you at any denton show at strawberry fields, time bandits, 715 panhandle, or fra house, etc. so how do you know what these "kids" are doing?

and oh fuck! a guy from denton plays with korn? please tell me that was a joke, not a supposed insult to these "hobbyists"

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12:30 PM  
Anonymous Liles said...

Honestly, I'm too sick to try and sit here and address every single one of the comments made, but I will point out that I started writing for the Observer back when Pete Freeman (and you, apparently) were seven years old. I don't work for him, I freelance for the Observer's parent company. I never said I "hated' Pete (I barely know him), I only "harassed" him because I wanted him to know that people out there DO give a shit and we expect more than just superficial coverage. To his credit, I see him out at almost every single show. At least he's not hiding like you are. He owns his opinions and perspective. He isn't playing some bullshit cat-and-mouse game with fake names and anonymous bylines.

DL, it's interesting that you bring up Dylan's relationship to David Geffen and his "boredom" with idealism for two reasons; first, (as you know, if you're a fan) Dylan was a reluctant spokesperson for his generation - his rising to that level was purely organic and happened against his will, and secondly, it was that very same Idealism that Geffen was supposedly so "bored" with that caused him to be the first major entertainment exec in Hollywood to throw his support behind Barack Obama's successful presidential campaign. Way before Oprah ever did, back when everybody still thought Hillary had the nomination sewn up. David Geffen, cocksucker that he is, was responsible for turning a lot of very powerful and influential people on to this very idealistic candidate. And the guy won.

So yeah. People get tired of the same old stupid shit and reconsider their options.

And as far as what Edie Brickell and New Bohemians accomplished: they played for a lot more than 800 people a night every night. They toured Europe as the opening act for Dylan; played in front of 100,000 people in Central Park; appeared on every network late night talk show and SNL; were on the cover of Spin; she appeared in the film "Born on the Fourth of July"; and then married Paul Simon. One of their band members was also murdered in cold blood; so if you really need someone to pick on to prove your point (whatever it is), choose somebody else, you insensitive and idiotic prick. You clearly are in way over your head here. You may not like their music (as is your right), but you will NEVER in a million years be a successful as they were.

The guy from Denton who plays with Korn is Zac Baird. He went to Arts Magnet, UNT, played in Billygoat and Cottonmouth Texas, has also played with Everlast and New Bohemians, and he just bought a nice house in LA - that he paid for with money that he made playing music as a professional.

Not meant to insult any hobbyists, only to encourage the higher aspirations of those who still believe that making a living playing music is a remote possibility.

Of course, people here would rather you think that having a shitty day job and playing keg parties on weekends is the more noble (re: punk) aspiration. To each his own.

12:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one knows who Zac Baird is because he's a nameless studio musician. Has he ever written one song that meant anything to anyone? Given the choice, I would choose playing in a band that's broke as fuck rather than being some idiot who can list Korn and Everlast on my resume. As far as the New Bohemians, I had no idea about the band member who was murdered, but that doesn't change the fact that their music sucks. They were successful for approximately one album. What's the name of their second album or Edie Brickell's solo album? You actually use a marriage to Paul Simon and a cameo singing a Dylan song in a shitty filmmaker's movie as reasons why they were successful. They were and never will be considered a band that actually made good music.

1:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry the last sentence of my post should be: They were successful, but never will be considered a band that actually made good music.

1:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

are we supposed to be impressed by some denton dude joining korn and buying a house in LA? the other bands he played with sucked too. is this shit for real? what is this nostalgia for crappy dallas bands like the new bohemians? and don't pull this "the younger generation doesn't get it" shit. there were SOME good dallas/FW bands in existence at the same time. bedhead is one example.

as someone who's not a musician, i have way more respect for people who play in GOOD bands than i do for someone who plays in korn and cashes a fat paycheck.

i'm sure most musicians would love to make a living by playing music. just because someone doesn't achieve the status of "professional" (which is subjective anyway) it doesn't mean that it's some casual hobby for them.
besides, music is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. you stop being an artist when you do things purely for the money.

3:05 PM  
Anonymous anonymous = dipshit said...

no one cares if you're impressed, no one cares if respect people who play in "good" bands (whatever that means), and no one gives a fuck about your self-righteous blowhard opinion.

zac baird is having fun seeing the world, staying in four star hotels everywhere he goes, and getting basically any piece or gear he wants whenever he wants it... and you're a jealous little twerp.

that much is evident.

keep making the case, if you'd like to dig even deeper.

3:43 PM  
Anonymous Liles said...

"Given the choice, I'd rather play in some band that is broke as fuck rather than some idiot who lists Korn and Everlast... yada, yada, yada..."

First of all, that's a lie. And you don't have that choice, because you suck.

Zac is anything but an idiot. Anyone who knows him will tell you that he's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. YOU are the idiot. YOU are the liar trying to sound cool by saying you're "above" playing with a band like Korn or Everlast. Truth is, you wouldn't ever make it past the first audition anyway.

I hear Subway is hiring, if you're willing to break down and finally take a shower.

3:55 PM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

Wow-- Liles and the rest of the middle aged crybabies are really losing it, right here before our eyes. I love how you assume that we are all dying to be "professional" studio musicians who could "tour the world" and stay at various Holiday Inn Express locations with the dude from "Jump Around." Believe it or not, that sounds really shitty to a lot of us. The truth is that a lot of the musicians that come to this site don't have any goals like that, and bands like Everlast and Korn aren't even a part of their worlds... I mean, gimme a break. I don't even make fun of those bands because neither one has ever had any impact on my life at all. We ignore that kind of shit in the same way that we ignore Trinity Broadcasting Network. It's tired, washed up corporate garbage that no one with any taste or half a brain would ever give a second thoughtto, and I'm amazed that you're even discussing it here.

Also-- some of us have other careers that have nothing to do with music.... we do this for fun and intellectual stimulation. We do it because we want to, and because we can. Your time has come and gone, jackass, and over the course of this comment thread, you have moved closer and closer to becoming a living, breathing punch line. Quit while you're ahead.

4:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liles, I'm not a liar. I really am above playing with Korn and Everlast but not above playing for Cottonmouth, TX. Can I audition? Dude, MC900FT Jesus kicked your fucking ass as far as local white rappers go. Even Vanilla Ice was better than you could've ever dreamed of being. You know how I know...because he stayed in four star hotels, saw the world, bought whatever he wanted, etc. More famous equals more talented in your highly annoying opinion.

You're like those fucking hippies who weren't at Woodstock but talk at great length about how important it was. And what's wrong with working at Subway? It's probably far less emasculating than freelancing for a paper who never even considered you for the position of music editor and instead gave it to a douchebag fratboy half your age. I hereby anoint you as "the most irritating internet presence." You've replaced Pete Freedman.

4:11 PM  
Anonymous Liles said...

At least I'm not hiding behind an anonymous screen name.

You know, as a registered sex offender, you really ought to check with your parole officer to see if posting anonymously on a website for kids is a violation of your terms.

Might wanna look into that.

4:20 PM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

aaaaannnnddddd.... scene.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous lucky 13 said...

I agree with Liles more than I agree with you, 2:11.

4:24 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lucky 13, what an insightful comment. I like how you explained why. That's really interesting that you agree with someone more than you do with another. I understand where you're coming from.

4:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The same people pushing originality will be the same ones crying when their favorite "insert hip genre here" band changes their sound. How many time's have we all had to hear: Yeah, I like their first album but...

6:18 PM  
Anonymous i'm a "jealous little twerp" said...

didn't you read? i'm not a musician so why would i give a fuck if he gets any piece of gear he wants? you're spouting some pretentious bullshit: 4 star hotels? seeing the world? wow, it's SO respectable when you get to do that by being in KORN!!! get a fucking clue already.

6:38 PM  
Anonymous lucky 13 said...


Here's why:

Because you're Pete Freedman.

6:39 PM  
Anonymous i am really lame said...

I like Korn and I've been reading WSJR for over a year.

Don't assume that all the readers here buy into that juvenile "you suck and I'm cool" bullshit.

6:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we just tag this whole exchange Dallas vs. Denton?

7:01 PM  
Anonymous mofreak! is just here for the dick sucking said...

I like Boyz II Men, Night Game, Trinity Broadcasting Network, Brian Eno, Korn, Everlast, N*SYNC, Bob Dylan, John Lennon, and The Jonas Brothers, I'm black, I voted for Obama, I was born in '84 and thus I am a "Baby on Board", I've been reading WSJR for about a year and I come here mostly to be informed and entertained, it reminds me of the old Chomsky/DARYL boards but much more negative, I've been a fan of local music since I was sneaking into shows at 15, the musician in Edie Brickell's band who was murdered was a friend of mine, I like to eat fresh at Subway, I think these insults are cute, let's see, what else...

J/K! What's the point in me contributing anything relevant to this board in regards to my opinions and tastes in music? There isn't one. Why? Because I'm only here to suck dick, okay guys? Let's get that straight. Oh, and I don't know shit about shit either. That's the name of my new band. It's like a cross of some shoegaze, mixed with a little atonal caustic dissonant noise/punk rock shit, spiced with a little math rock influence, topped off with some chopped and skrewed dirty south hip-hop. I'm making a delicious musical chocolate cake that you can all dissect and insult and say that it's a derivative of this and that. Whether or not you like it is totally subjective, okay?

Don't Know Shit About Shit. Coming soon to WSJR Records, Because I'm sucking SR's dick and that guarantees me a release. We've also signed to play Vans Warped Tour next year. How is that, you ask? I also suck corporate dick.

*removes tongue from cheek*

8:08 PM  
Anonymous mean lady said...

why don't you stick your tongue in my cheek, because i am totally in love with you

9:28 PM  
Anonymous mofreak said...

Fuck you mean lady.

11:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i still beweive in Santa...


12:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liles wins.

1:07 AM  
Anonymous mofreak! said...

Two mofreaks! Let's go for three!

Confession: I am the spambot posting about the Paris Hilton videos.

1:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liles kicked your ass DL and stomped SR while at it. BABY ON BOARD GEN GO!

1:21 AM  
Anonymous defensive listening said...

Point to the part where he kicked my ass. Was it the part about the famous dudes that make music that people like?

1:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Liles, 2:11 here. Sorry for attacking and insulting you. Even though I disagree with you, I shouldn't have resorted to that. And I know I'm anonymous to you, but I hope you accept my apology.

9:26 AM  
Anonymous stonedranger said...

Had to erase Bub's comment... not because of the content, but because he stretched the comment.

11:03 AM  

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