It List: Thursday
KRS One (Minc): Co founder of the legendary Boogie Down Productions and one of the most respected political voices in hip hop, KRS-One will be dropping by Minc Lounge in Dallas tonight on his Stop the Violence tour. We don't have a lot of other information on the gig other than that since promotion for it has been rather, uh, light to say the least, which is a shame considering what a legend KRS One really is.... but it's Dallas, so no one is surprised.John Legend/Vaughn Anthony (Nokia): The least annoying adult contemporary R&B singer of the decade. The Central Booking crew will be hosting an after party for the show at Aura Lounge on McKinney, and you can RSVP here if you want to. Warning: possiblity of the place being a bottle service douche hole joint appears quite high based on the website. Apparently you have to "call for reservations" if you want to hang out with these Dallas "vips." Ha. If you're a big John Legend person, however, get excited and shit because he WILL be there.
The English Beat/Bad Manners/Eleven Fingered Charlie (Granada): The Beat has toured with David Bowie, The Clash, Talking Heads, The Police, and the Specials, meaning that if Jeff Liles were in charge of the world, they would probably be considered the best band in the universe by decree. I mean, they make a living as musicians and you don't, right? In real life, however, they're just a solid ska band that began to adequately explore westernized African pop music later in the career with a good deal of success. Honestly, if you had to go listen to an old English Ska revival band from the 70's, they're certainly the least offensive of the bunch other than the Specials, and they're often better than them too. Really, the aforementioned list of touring partners is a pretty great indicator of what they sound like--- often more Police and Talking Heads than Reel Big Fish or whatever the fuck you're thinking, it's probably unfair to even refer to them as a ska band since they rarely ever sound like one. I've been listening to their greatest hits for the past half hour and I've decided that I like it. Ok? It couldn't possibly be ska, right?
posted by stonedranger at 4:01 PM
130 Comments:
first post. no care.
"meaning that if Jeff Liles was in charge of the world, they would probably be considered the best band in the world by decree. I mean, they make a living as musicians and you don't, right?"
lol
krs-one? really!?! damnit! i'm busy tonight.
i like it when someone encourages Jeff Liles to come out and put yall little people in your emo place
sun bear, go back to eating porridge with goldielocks. children should stick to children's stories. this place is for immature, bitter adults.
Where's our little emo place? I thought Club Clearview shut down. So, why are you here?
hey fuck you man, emo4eva!
I like it when someone knocks on Jeff Liles door so he can come on out and play!
i don't understand why y'all don't like liles. he's an elder stateman, did a bunch of punk shit... is it that he writes for the observer? i don't get it. seems like he would get a free pass by association.
hey kids, you guys couldn't sound any more bitter. what's the deal? don't make yourselves look pathetic, this is a good blog in itself no need to trash.
and bad manners? i really wanna go to this show..
There's absolutely nothing wrong with British Ska.
When you start listening to mephiskapheaes and a bunch of nonsense from orange county is when you run into problems.
jeff is nice, but his dreads are a little dated. oh uh, and he is a white guy with dreads. new do for 2009 please?
hey 409.;
i love the bumblebee tuna song.
also what would the race scene at the end of ferris buller be without that english beat song..
they were way better than madness. i really still dig them.
Stonedranger, check out the production credits for KRS-ONE and Boogie Down Productions' "30 Cops or More" and "Seven DeeJays" from their 1991 "Edutainment" album.
Yes, we know all about Decadent Dub Team, okay? Nice pat on your own back there.
uh oh. "co-produced by Decadent Dub Team"
just curious, sr... back in 1991, when Jeff was working with "one of the most respected voices in hip-hop" (your words), you were doing what again? perhaps jerking off to the english beat, who's bio you seem to know like the back of your own hand?
Hey 100-to-0, you do realize you're getting into a dick measuring contest about a co-production credit with someone who was a child at the time, right? Just letting you know. Now that you're aware, please carry on.
If SR was a child, then why the fuck is he writing about BDP or English Beat under this veiled premise that he actually knows what the fuck he's talking about?
You're both fucking posers. Fake names and lifted information from other sources... it's all you've got.
So, by your logic, nobody can talk about music that came out in 1991, if they weren't making music or at least an adult in 1991? So you can only talk about Blind Lemon Jefferson if you were around in the Twenties? That's the only way you can know what you're talking about, do I have that right?
I'm giving you a chance to explain yourself, I mean, there's no way that you're that fucking stupid.
I have a fake name, at the very least, though our cover is blown by many very intelligent super-sleuths on a regular basis. So what was your name again, you brave, brave soul?
Oh either way, Decadent Dub Team is still laughable. You could have produced "Straight Outta Compton" in its entirety and people would still be snickering behind your back, MC Jeff.
Seriously, it's admirable that Jeff Liles put out the Static Orange Compilation so people could hear lots of Dallas music even though most of it was not good, and Cottonmouth, TX was kinda fun as a novelty when I was 19 or 20 (granted...he did say that if you didn't like it at the time you could send it back to him personally...this from the One Ton message board) , and I understand he produced a song for the movie Colors and KRS One and whatever, but the dude kinda gets on my nerves man. I almost feel like he uses his life experiences in a sheisty way to come across as cool. It's like LILES TIME LET'S TALK HIP I HUNG OUT WITH TOWNES VAN ZANDT AND IT WAS TRANSCENDANT. So, blog on WSJR
These respect your elders types are hilarious. It's either:
"Why don't you ever talk about so-and-so? They did it right in Dallas circa 1987."
or it's:
"Why the fuck are talking about so-and-so? YOU weren't there in Dallas circa 1987!"
You know what? Either way, fuck you.
hey DL, people can TALK about whatever the fuck they want, but if you're gonna WRITE about it, please drop this ridiculous pretense that blog is a source of original content or thought.
pretty tedious, actually...
I was talking about writing, actually. I should have made that clear. But I do appreciate any tips you might have on what is acceptable in either writing OR talking.
And I will "drop the ridiculous pretense that blog is a source of original content or thought," once I figure out what that means.
nice to know i'm referred to as a child, even though i'm probably only five or six yrs younger than you. fuck off, anon 3:39.
Say what? Blog is the most original motherfucker alive! He's on some next level truth shit.
man lets talk about the new bohemians or some other boring dallas band.
wsj jumped the shark a long time ago. now it's just down to picking stupid fights with people who could really care less. one week it's wanz, then it's john from parade of flesh, this week it's liles.
when will you midgets get it in your head that you only embarrassing yourselves?
SR 5:45 - Jeff was the DJ in DDT, not the MC. but how would you know that? you were but a child. ;)
'man that's the difference between us, you think we're fightin i think we're just starting to talk'-
-'pretty tedious' <-ha ha you sound like a fuck
-man two tone till these feet can moonstomp no longer-
you guys are so fucking cool. what, with the wsjr street team photography crew of teenagers.
you definitely have every right to talk shit.
l-i-v-i-n
teenagers vs grown ass men
Jumped the shark? You dumb fuck. And getting on here and acting high and mighty makes you better how?
5:54, it really has nothing to do with "respecting your elders". respect won't pay the bills. fact is, from 1987-1993 there were at least a dozen bands in town who could draw 800 people to every one of their shows. that was enough to sustain an infrastructure of clubs, record stores and the adherent jobs (indie labels, bartending, art design, recording studios, photography, etc) that go along with a thriving music scene.
in 2009, i can't even think of one band in town who can regularly draw 400 people to a show. and where would they play if they could? you have every right to say "fuck you", but you ought to be saying it to the people who won't go see bands or support the few live venues that still exist.
7:41:
Jumped. The. Shark.
Done.
Over.
The Buddy Magazine of Dallas blog feces.
7:41:
Jumped. The. Shark.
Done.
Over.
The Buddy Magazine of Dallas music blog feces.
Yep the music scene in dallas back in the day was a lot better than it is now -which isnt saying much. The older folks (who are older now) did it better. Newer crop can't do it right. The only thing they have going for them is a pretty fascinating blog that pulls all the stops.
hi this is 7:55 and i agree with what i just said.
What the fuck are you talking about that washed up dork for?
Guy is still talking about his club that has been closed longer than it was opened and the 1 song he had on a soundtrack that had national exposure 20+ years ago.
WHO THE FUCK CARES?
That's right. No one. That's why the shitty events him and his washed up crew throw are always EMPTY.
When music is recorded it destroys its soul.......
And what the fuck are you talking about they hardly sound like a ska band? They sound exactly like a fucking ska band you retards.
None of the shit you compared them to IS ska. Fucking idiot critics who don't even know what the fuck genres they are talking about
I'm fascinated by Fuel City, for sure. Thank God WSJ was there to turn us all onto it first.
7:59, you apparently care. And how would you know if his (whoever you're talking about) events are empty unless you were there yourself?
idiot
All it comes down to is who do you support white rasta dudes or guys wearing skinny girl pants? Simple as that.
why KRS-One playing "Minc"
Am I taking fucking crazy pills?
You obviously don't know much about ska. Well, the real shit anyways. But I'm not sure if thats necessarily a bad thing. So don't consider this any kind of assault on your credibility. English Beat is solid.
As for mentioning old boring Dallas bands...whats Casey Hess up to? Surely his creative juices didn't dry up with Doosu and the Jump Rope Girls...
Let's hear it for neutrality!
i think wsjr really did lose cred when they started that horrible fucking embarrassment of a photo section.
talk about a major misrepresentation of your readers.
how about that old Duran Duran video earlier this week?
sheesh.
8:03
the police and the clash totally experimented with ska
talking heads experimented in all sorts of world music
thats why the sounds like bands they toured with makes sense
just because it doesnt sound like no doubt and less than jake doesnt mean it isnt ska
as for liles he did a lot of good for the city, and inspired a lot of people i know to get involved in the local music scene
problem is he kept abandoning this city for new york and la, which kind of makes it hard to care about what he says now-a-days
as for casey hess and his pig-valve heart, closest he ever came to showing talent was on doosu's first album, and i wouldnt exactly call that talent
Jesus, my lord and saviour, Christ. Can't we all just stay focused on a topic that actually MATTERS for two seconds?
Let's take a poll. What's your favourite type of Fuel City taco?
Mine's the burrito.
The Liles taco. I like the Liles taco from fuel city.
Jesus, my lord and saviour, Christ. Can't we all just stay focused on a topic that actually MATTERS for two seconds?
Let's take a poll. What's your favourite type of Fuel City taco?
Mine's the burrito.
The Liles taco. I like the Liles taco from fuel city
obviously the hess pig-valve taco is the tastiest from fuel city
I'm digging the this blog now.
let's hear it for the only band never to have sucked: THE BEATLES!
fyi: ska's merely something to wipe your ass with. that's it.
Fuck tacos. The best is that DL cup-of-corn shit you get out on the front sidewalk.
ugliest rapper of all time: krs-whatever, jay-zzz's, or piggie definitely not small?
DL > Dwight Schrute on "The Office"
SR > the trent reznor wannabe who dated Claire on "Six Feet Under"
CN > Jon Heder's characer in "Blades of Glory"
david corti > david cross's character on "arrested development"
there ya go. a few mental images to have in your head when you read WS Jr.
7:44- it's understandable why you would want to be able to express yourself while maintaining some sort of ability to do so in a sustainable community but you are taking it to levels that just aren't necessary.
eric was the talent behind doosu, not casey.
the music scene has changed everywhere... sure the 90s were a better time for the clubs and definitely for the bands financially, but the music is still good. if it's not, you're looking in the wrong place. besides, everyone says that about the decade behind them... just accept that there is good stuff then, and good stuff here right now and on its way...
803-- Try listening to them, dipshit.
825-- I actually do know quite a bit about the original Jamaican Ska, and most of the English Beat I've ever heard really doesn't sound like that stuff either.
10:55
eric's hair was the secret to doosu, i wouldn't say anyone in that group actually had much going in the talent department
i hate the beatles.
because, you know, hating dead people is a great way to waste your time and energy.
which area of the US has the best music scene now?
atlanta
you will all regret this
what do you mean WILL? what makes you think we already don't?
how many midgets we got up in here?
question:
what's the difference between a Fuel City midget and a We Shot Junior midget?
answer:
the Fuel City midget is wearing a Gorilla Vs. Bear t-shirt
I like the photo section I just wish they had more peole who took photos at events so that more items would be covered. I am sure if they put more effort into it they could cover most events on their lists with photos, but it is also innappropriate to take photos at some events to me. They definitely had it better when Sally was living here.
As for the music scene here. It needs a lot of work and the only way people are going to build a good community is to support each other.
I'm moving...
"Save it for Later" is one of the best pop songs ever written.
DL > Dwight Schrute on "The Office" <-- Damn sure is.
I love this blog.
mirror in the bathroom
i actually was an adult in college in the early 90s, and no one drew crowds of 800- primarily because there has always been a capacity issue at clubs.
maybe hagfish opening for ann richards at unt was the biggest crowd i saw anywhere locally. that was outdoors.
rev. horton heat
course of empire
mc 900 ft jesus
the toadies
buck pets
rigor mortis
funland
tripping daisy
hagfish
buck jones
slow roosevelt
brutal juice
loco gringos
all of these bands regularly drew between 500-800 people to shows at trees, clearview or theatre gallery.
yeah, but they all suck. no crowd numbers can change that.
what about caulk? they were pretty cool...from what little i can remember from that time.
Not getting in on the argument, but I remember all of those bands, and that time period, around here. Seeing all of those names reminds me of what a blackhole (is that still cool to use), d/DFW is for music.
Whether you like any of those bands or not, it's weird to think about how many of them seemed to have really bright futures, and yet still, none of them really made it too far from being a popular local band (excluding the obvious ones). Almost as discouraging as reading the opinions in the weshotjr comments section.
Where's Pantera when you need 'em?
I can't argue about some of those bands because I don't know, but you're really saying bands like Funland, Buck Jones, Buck Pets, Slow Roosevelt, and Brutual Juice regularly drew that many people? If so, it seems it would have more to do with the scene at the time supporting all kinds of bands than it has to do with the quality of their music. If Funland or Buck Jones played Club Dada right now, how many people would they draw? Remember that Funland song that sounded exactly like Smells Like Teen Spirit?
11:55 forgot about the most important 90's DdFW band of all... THE DOOMS UK.
Man, remember the good old days on We Shot JR, when people didn't bring up those stupid fucking bands listed above?
hey say what you want about liles but he'll still sit down and smoke a doob with you in ellum no matter how much shit you blogged about him that afternoon
doesn't that just mean he has no spine?
he'll "smoke a doob with you in ellum"?
who the fuck are you, one of the guys from the "freedom rock" commercial?
dumb fucking hippie twat.
To the other "Over-30 Peeps" dwelling here:
I think it's great that we all have the time and resources to argue...I mean "discuss" these important issues in this setting, but I have a suggestion.
Try to remember what YOU were like in your teens, early-20s, and all-the-points-until-you-arrived-where-you-are today. I know I was a smug, all-knowing little shithead that saw little value in the opinions of other "music fans" especially those "weird old dudes". I mean shit...THEY can't know anything about the way music fits into the much-larger picture than what is force fed to us daily now can they? (look at their appearance for gods's sake!)
Being open-minded about music comes slowly to most folks (this fool included) and some people simply don't have the capacity to ever get over their small-minded view of what constitutes "good music".
Enjoy being the "coolest kids on the planet ever" dear readers because it AIN'T gonna last long. It WAS fun while it lasted though...
what c.p. is trying to say, is that in six years you'll all end up starting garage-influenced alt-country beard bands.
welcome back to denton!
viva THE GROWN-UPS
UFOFU
I am doing the slow clap for 1:28pm...
You forgot Pop Poppins. Never forget Pop Poppins. Or The Spin.
To say the music was better now or better then is sort of an impossible argument.
I betcha there's alot more now, due to home recording and all, so there's probably a wider variety and you can get exposed to alot more stuff. Perhaps there's a better overall chance to find something you like. So there's that.
But anyway, it is true that more people attended shows back then. I have my theories, but I'm not sure why exactly. I am pretty positive it's not because the music was "better" though. I mean, I guess it's possible, but I doubt it. It was just a different time -economically, socially, technologically and on and on.
And yes, I would like to be there when certain people realize the "Anyone over 25 doesn't know anything!" attitude was um, short sighted to say the least.
Besides, we just went through the eighties revival (or is that still happening?) so aren't we about due for a nineties revival? Many of these girlpants people might find they're being called old and stupid by a bunch of "vintage" flannel and Doc Marten wearing hipsters namedropping Flipper, Tad and the Melvins here in a couple of years.
Or A Deux Voix.
Girly pants
Girly pants
They fit so tight that I can't dance!
yeah, fuck nirvana then and fuck nirvana now.
I don't get why everyone loves the Melvins or Flipper. I mean its good music, but really there are so many other bands I would rather listen to.
10:13, i love you
i watched an episode from the third season of "six feet under" last night, and that Russell kid (the sniveling little art student obsessed with Claire) is SO stoned ranger.
it got to the point i couldn't even watch it. i kept waiting for him to blurt out, "WAAAAAH, I wish I was somebody important!"
you give SR way too much credit. i think he's more like Napolean Dynamite's brother - the one who sent off for the mail order hooker.
keep swinging 3:19, maybe if you throw out enough overused references from the overrated television you watch, you might just peg the real Stoned Ranger. After all, it's people like you writing obsessively about him for the past few years that has made him the VERY IMPORTANT figure he is.
oh, THAT Napolean Dynamite's brother. Man, you people are dense.
have not has
3:29, this blog is NAMED AFTER a shitty TV show, you idiot.
he asked for it.
i resent that remark man.
they shoulda named this shit "falcon crest".
re: talking shit about jeff liles in a story about the english beat (?)
really not a good look for we shot jr.
the Beatles suck
methinks not. this ain't amateur hour, now is it???
also, if they sucked, then why in holy hell did you capitalize the B. dumbass...
? yeah, i know, so there's the question mark. dumbass...
typical wsj commenter.
someone gets murdered, you say they suck.
stay classy, 1:03
nice comment hans. sorry i don't really care for your step-brother, ben dover...
THE KRS-ONE SHOW WAS PACKED. SOUND COULDVE BEEN BETTER. WSJR MADE THERE COMMENT ABOUT THE BECAUSE THEY DIDNT GET THIER LITTLE TICKETS THEY WANTED SO THEREFORE THE MADE THIER OFF-COLOR COMMENT. GOES TO SHOW YOU WHAT KINDA BUSINESS THEY RUNNING OVER HERE.
THE KRS-ONE SHOW WAS PACKED. SOUND COULDVE BEEN BETTER. WSJR MADE THERE COMMENT ABOUT THE BECAUSE THEY DIDNT GET THIER LITTLE TICKETS THEY WANTED SO THEREFORE THE MADE THIER OFF-COLOR COMMENT. GOES TO SHOW YOU WHAT KINDA BUSINESS THEY RUNNING OVER HERE.
No, we said that because your promotion was terrible and you happened to get lucky, dipshit.
hell yeah it was shitty. no one i know knew about it. and most of them would have wanted to go. what a waste
lUCKY MY ASS. SAY THE SAME ABOUT MY NEXT EVENT AND MY NEXT EVENT I COULD CARE LESS. I HIT CIRCLES WITH THIS EVENT YOU GUYS COULD NEVER TOUCH. THERES ALWAYS GONNA BE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDER A ROCK AND DONT FOLLOW HIPHOP SHOWS. i CAN HAVE MY EVENTS IN ALL THE PUBLICATIONS AND POSTERS FROM FTW TO DENTON,A STREET TEAM 10 DEEP. RADIO PROMO AND A LECTURE AT EL CENTRO AND YOU GUYS STILL WANNA JUDGE MY WORK. DONT HATE BECAUSE YOUR INDIE ROCK BUTT-BUDDIES DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THE SHOW. YOU GUYS CANT REALLY SPEAK HIP HOP IN THIS CITY ANYWAYS JUDGING ON WHAT YOU GUYS SUPPORT..YOU GUYS HAVE BEN COCK-BLOCKIN BEFORE THIS EVENT. DO SOME WSJR HIPHOP SHOWS AND LET ME SEE WHAT YOUGUYS CAN REALLY DO.
I don't remember doing any "cock blocking," and we aren't promoters, so I'm not sure how many circles we can "touch," butt buddies or otherwise, but we'd love to do a WSJR hip hop show some time, and if you'd like to help us out, we'll be sure to keep you informed!
WELL HIPHOP DUDES GET EMO WHEN THEY GET CRITISIZED. THATS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. AND I WOULDVE BEEN ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU WANTED WITH THE TICKETS BUT NOT A DAY OR TWO BEFORE THE SHOW! IF YOU GUYS WANNA DO SOME SHOWS MY NUMBER IS STILL THE SAME. FOR ME TO HAVE A SUCCESS WITH ONE SHOW THAT WAS SLANDERED ON YOUR BLOG BEFORE IT HAPPENED LOOKED AS IF YOU GUYS EXPECTED IT TO FAIL. I UNDERSTAND YOUR SCHTICK WITH THE BLOG HATING ON SHIT AND WHAT NOT. BUT C'MON HATING ON SOMEONES PROMOTIONS? NOW THATS NEW.
WELL HIPHOP DUDES GET EMO WHEN THEY GET CRITISIZED. THATS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. AND I WOULDVE BEEN ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU WANTED WITH THE TICKETS BUT NOT A DAY OR TWO BEFORE THE SHOW! IF YOU GUYS WANNA DO SOME SHOWS MY NUMBER IS STILL THE SAME. FOR ME TO HAVE A SUCCESS WITH ONE SHOW THAT WAS SLANDERED ON YOUR BLOG BEFORE IT HAPPENED LOOKED AS IF YOU GUYS EXPECTED IT TO FAIL. I UNDERSTAND YOUR SCHTICK WITH THE BLOG HATING ON SHIT AND WHAT NOT. BUT C'MON HATING ON SOMEONES PROMOTIONS? NOW THATS NEW.
Hey, no worries. I sent you a myspace message. As much as people like to believe it, we don't enjoy arguing OR hating on shit! Cheers.
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